How Can People, Mostly Conservative Christians, Be So Adamantly Pro-life and Pro-death Penalty At The Same Time?


Reader, Kenneth Williams became the fourth convicted killer executed in Arkansas in eight days as the state sought to carry out as many lethal injections as possible before one of its drugs expires Sunday.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/04/29/us/arkansas-kenneth-williams-timeline/

I absolutely do not understand how someone can be "pro" life and "pro" death penalty, it defies logic. You cannot claim to be pro-poor if you are for the death penalty as it targets those who are economically disadvantaged, those who can't afford good legal counsel. CAPITAL PUNISHMENT MEANS THAT THOSE WITHOUT CAPITAL GET THE PUNISHMENT!

When it comes to abortion I am for the woman right to choose what's best for her and her situation. I feel that if you're pro-life you should also oppose the death penalty, from a Biblical perspective where do you guys stand? As a Christian, I feel I can not support capital punishment.

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  1. Although I agree with you that you can't be pro life and pro death penalty. These people in Arkansas did not get the death because they were poor. They got the death penalty because they were convicted of murder and I think one of these guys committed rape and murder. They put their own self in this position not because they were poor.

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  2. Let's be clear, the reason for including wealth level and/or SES in such conversations is because we live in a society and world where money can and often does make a way for those with wealth to get off the hook even when they are guilty. Let's not pretend this is not the case. I'm not a proponent for letting people off the hook simply because they are poor or because they are minorities. I simply believe that we should expect justice to be equally distributed regardless of race, creed, ethnicity, religious background, etc. But that equal distribution of justice has never been the case.

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    1. If you commit murder and get the death penalty I an definitely not shedding a tear for you just because you are poor.Next time don't commit murder.

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    2. No one asked you to shed a tear for the guilty although I would think as a Christian you would ponder about the souls of the guilty. Many churches do have prison ministries for this very reason.

      I will restate my comment in a different way, any in-depth discussion of our justice system should include commentary and discussion on how poor people are often convicted of the same crimes and receive harsher sentences for the same crimes that wealthy individuals receive either no convictions or lighter sentences for committing.

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    3. Anonymous I get what you're saying and I agree 100%. Poor people in America don't stand a chance with our present justice system as it stand today. Oftentimes, people of lower economic classes and especially minorities within that demographic end up in jail and/or prison simply because they don't have the means to defend themselves from allegations made against them. This also makes it that much more likely innocent people will accept plea deals just to avoid serving more jail time while awaiting trial and/or to avoid the risk of more severe punishment should they lose.

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    4. How about this great idea just don't commit crime especially murder. Other than that if you are willingly to murder someone don't whine about how poor you are when you get the death penalty.

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    5. And what then William Thomas of the wrongly convicted who are also poor? There are numerous cases where, after decades in prison, individuals have been exonerated. Even one person imprisoned erroneously is one too many. The poor and convicted don't whine, we seldom hear their voices because they are imprisoned with no one to speak for them.

      As stated, I would think you as a Christian would be concerned about the souls of those imprisoned. There are those, as stated previously, who assist with prison ministries for this reason. It sounds to me that you wouldn't consider such efforts a worthy cause.

      Miss Ann, you are indeed onto something in relation to the plea deals. So many ways the system is stacked against some and not others. SES influences so many things in society and this remains a very troubling aspect of society.

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    6. It is easy to point out a few cases but my focus is on the majority who are actually guilty not the one percent who are not.

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  3. You can buy yourself out of any legal problem if you have all the money and all the gold. the reason the rich, elite and powerful plus their uniformed thugs get a slap on the wrist is because our system is now a plutocratic oligarchy.

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  4. Bro. Thomas, all good with you (I'm a different Anonymous). Some of you all DO NOT Understand the "Justice" of God...IF YOU LIVE BY THE SWORD, YOU WILL "DIE" BY THE SWORD...Read your Bible (same concept OLD & NEW TESTAMENT). You can be as compassionate to people as you want to be (Actually, SO IS GOD) BUT, when you MURDER/KILL someone, YOU SUFFER THE CONSEQUENCES....Bible. I WOULD NOT "excuse" someone for KILLING one of my family members in cold blood (even though I would want the person to be delivered and set free by the Word Of God). Pro Life deals with KILLING innocent UNBORN children....NOT A MURDEROUS PERSON (you have the WRONG CONCEPT). God established LAWS and this is one of them that mankind suffers, because, of their OWN disobedience. This man MURDERED someone's Father, Brother, Son, Uncle, Friend, etc, (???) So, you 'OPPOSE' the death penalty but you are 'FOR' a woman's right to ABORT her child if she chooses too. Seriously, you need to read James 1:8....."a double minded Man/Woman is unstable in ALL of his/her ways". With all of your getting, get an UNDERSTANDING.. Proverbs 4:7.

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    1. Yep! And that sacred man that folks here are so in love with...Ex-president 44 is one of the biggest supporter of abortion.

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  5. THE LAW IS FOR THE LAWLESS. YOU DO THE CRIME YOU DO THE TIME OR THE DEATH PENALTY. HE SHOULD HAVE THOUGHT ABOUT THE CONSEQUENCES BEFORE HE COMMITTED THE CRIMES.THIS ISN'T ABOUT BLACK OR WHITE.THIS IS ABOUT JUSTICE.WE LIVE IN FLORIDA THEY USE TO KILL THEM ALL THE TIME BY NEEDLE. MOSTLY CAUCASIANS.SO I DON'T FEEL SORRY FOR NO ONE THAT TAKES ANOTHER'S LIFE .AND I DON'T SUPPORT ABORTIONS THAT'S ABOMINATION IN GOD'S EYESIGHT.

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  6. I live in Arkansas and unfortunately it's not always about justice, it's about the color of your skin, I don't recall any death penalty cases for black on black crime, if there are, I guarantee you there are not many. At any rate, in this state whenever there is black on white crime especially, rest assured, if there is anyway to charge with capital punishment, they are going to. I am pro life and pro death penalty, you live by the sword, you die by it. But were I have the problem is letting death row inmates sit for 20+ years, if there is no doubt they committed the crime...then take care of business.

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  7. The death penalty needs to be abolished in the "Bible Belt" region.

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  8. Ms. Ann,
    How can you say as a Christian, you can't support the death penalty (which is biblical) but you support a woman's "right" to choose, which could most likely end with abortion??? How does that make sense??? That is the contradiction. The death penalty is for people who do crimes, murder. That is their punishment. Thats not the same as abortion. What is the child being punished for, being conceived??? The child is innocent. He's not a grown man that raped and killed 3 women.


    Ms. Ann if a woman was 6 pregnant and decided she wanted an abortion, because she changed her mind about wanting the child, would you support that decision???



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    1. Anonymous I do not support abortion lets get that clear. What I do support and will stand by it is a woman right to chose for "herself" whether she'll have an abortion or not. No I don't support the death penalty, because there's no redeeming value in it. Plus, the death penalty is not a deterrent against violent crime.

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  9. So Ms. Ann if a woman was 5 months pregnant and decided she wanted an abortion, because she changed her mind about wanting the child, would you support that decision, because that is her "choice"???

    The death penalty is for punishment. It can't undue the crime committed, but it is a severe punishment. I support a woman's right to choose. If she wants to use birth control, if she wants to give her child up for adoption, if she wants to have a home birth, etc. But I can not support abortion being a part of that choice. Abortion is murder. And GOD hates hands that shed innocent blood.

    Imagine if Bob said "I don't support slavery, but I support someone's choice if they want to own slaves" Would you honestly believe Bob does not support slavery???

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