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Reader  interesting read! We have got to reach out to this generation. We have to lovingly mentor this generation. There world is way different that what some of us had. We lead by example. What happen from one generation to the next? Where did the ball get dropped? If he isn't the center of our life, walk, the way we entreat an react then how do we except Him to be theirs?!! "The psychic services industry — which includes astrology, aura reading, mediumship, tarot-card reading and palmistry, among other metaphysical services — grew 2% between 2011 and 2016. It is now worth $2 billion annually, according to industry analysis firm IBIS World".
http://www.marketwatch.com/story/why-millennials-are-ditching-religion-for-witchcraft-and-astrology-2017-10-20

Question “Should I Tithe Or Pay My Bills??”

 
 

Reader, this question is for you, tithe or Pay Off Debt -- which one would you do first? I remember when the financial market crash happened back in 2008 -- I remember seeing two news reports involving a Christian woman who was going through a home repossession. In the first report she was proudly proclaiming that God would keep her from losing the home cause I tithe, etc. In the second she was being evicted out of her home. This, along with some other things -- like a $6.5 million dollar church down the road from us that sits empty (about 10 years now) to this day -- serves as a reminder to me that God cares more about his children's well-being than money.

 The more I look at the subject of tithing, I am all the more convinced that the purpose of modern day tithing is nothing more than a racket to keep Christians in bondage. Furthermore, I am convinced that God cannot and will not curse Christians because we are his by adoption -- and paid for by Jesus going to the cross for us.

Should I Tithe Or Pay My Bills?

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  1. I'm probably gonna catch alot of backlash for saying this but try to look at it for what it is. 2 Corinthians 9:2 Corinthians: 9. 6. And this: He who is sowing sparingly, sparingly also shall reap; and he who is sowing in blessings, in blessings also shall reap; 7. each one, according as he doth purpose in heart, not out of sorrow or out of necessity, for a cheerful giver doth God love.) If we are commanded as the church to not give out of necessity then why do we. Why do pastors (not all of them) insist on being in full time ministry and expect to have a salary based off of tithes. They preach malachi 3 all the time but God wasn't talking to us as gentiles when that chapter came into play. You know also they were commissioned by God to tithe to the levites. As they couldn't grow crops to feed themselves due to tending to sacrifices for sin aND other duties mandated by God. By the way, there are no more levites. 2 Thessalonians
    3:2 Thessalonians: 3. 7. for yourselves have known how it behoveth [you] to imitate us, because we did not act disorderly among you; 8. nor for nought did we eat bread of any one, but in labour and in travail, night and day working, not to be chargeable to any of you; 9. not because we have not authority, but that ourselves a pattern we might give to you, to imitate us; 10. for even when we were with you, this we did command you, that if any one is not willing to work, neither let him eat, 11. for we hear of certain walking among you disorderly, nothing working, but over working, 12. and such we command and exhort through our Lord Jesus Christ, that with quietness working, their own bread they may eat) It's my logic as follower of Christ for 2 decades; that by requiring folks to pay tithes today when does so to burden the body of Christ than it does to help them. Besides, a tithe to a wealthy person does not in the same situation hurt them as much the person that only has 10 dollars to their name. But to answer the question, I think you shouldn't pay tithes period. But when you see a need and are able to help; then do so. I would want someone to do the same for me. Doesn't that sum up the entire old testament? Matthew: 7. 12. `All things, therefore, whatever ye may will that men may be doing to you, so also do to them, for this is the law and the prophets.) And would you accept a gift from someone whom you know that in their heart they are really reluctant to give it to you. God loves a cheerful giver doesn't he? I havent paid tithes in 10 years and nothing has happened to me. Haven't been deathly ill, family hasn't been in any type of trouble. God has taken care of me because I sought the well being of his kingdom and not myself, which when you tithe you are thinking of yourself; whether you are trying to protect yourself from wrath or trying to keep everything you got. This is why Jesus Grand sermon on the mount was the most memorable to me. Ok, sorry I said my piece. I'm done. Forgive me for being lengthy.

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    1. Keep a roof over your head and food. Give and help those in need and you'll be

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  2. PAY YOUR BILLS!!!

    This article was on point.

    Unless your church/pastor can assure you that they can take care of all your needs when your homeless, car less, and food less you need to PAY YOUR BILLS!!!

    Some may call it a "lack of faith", I call it being a good steward over your finances and household.

    If you have to CHOOSE to tithe OR pay your bills, you have probably spend to much on tithing already.





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    1. Totally agree, I'm gonna start using that. (If you have to CHOOSE to tithe OR pay your bills, you have probably spend to much on tithing already.) I just don't understand why people can't read the truth to see titheing isn't gonna make you rich or save you. Its literally like paying a bill that's above your means. Pay ur bills and take care of your family. Gd point COP, thanks.

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    2. And COP has preached a message for today ��

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  3. Well Hell, lets just have a hoodoo bond fire & burn all our Bibles while were gettin straightened about what the old dumb scriptures has for us. smh. Bunch of reject, undercover, willie lynch,yes'suh master,self declared, discount antichrist. Thank you Eric Martin, well said! It's a funny thang the other side don't use there names.

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  4. That's a personal choice that only you can make. I watched my mother tithe all of her life; in good times and in very, very, bad times. Since those days she's been immensely blessed, still tithes, and doesn't want for a dime in her senior years. I personally have chosen to pay bills over tithing on many occasions. I can't see anyone skipping their rent or light bill in order to tithe, but that's just my personal opinion.

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  5. Ok ya'll. Don't shoot please. I know many are passionate that tithing is of the LAW, and not in the New Testament.

    I’ll try to keep this short and not for argument sakes. But to answer the question per this post, I think we should always give to God and to give to Him first, before we give to anyone.

    For reasons already known I’m sure…

    1.) the idea of tithing did not originate with the law, but was before the law- Abraham tithed to Melchizedek .

    2.) Jesus said “Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone. Jesus did not condemn them tithing.

    3) The TITHE is the LORD’s.

    4)And ofcourse, Malachi 3:8-12 8Will a man rob God? Yet ye have robbed me. But ye say, Wherein have we robbed thee? In tithes and offerings. 9Ye are cursed with a curse: for ye have robbed me, even this whole nation. 10Bring ye all the tithes into the storehouse, that there may be meat in mine house, and prove me now herewith, saith the LORD of hosts, if I will not open you the windows of heaven, and pour you out a blessing, that there shall not be room enough to receive it.

    This is not to say we will get back 1000 fold of our money. God’s blessing comes in more ways than just MONEY.

    You just get a sense from Scriptures that TITHING is something we should do out of honor and dedication and trust and gratitude and thanksgiving as recognition to Him that He is our source of everything we Have. We should give to him FIRST because of WHO HE IS. Yes when we give we should do so cheerfully.

    I mean... it may seem practical, we should pay our bills and help our loved ones first, but we have to keep in mind that Our ways are not His ways and neither is His thoughts our thoughts.

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    1. Dear anonymous please consider this:

      1. Abram tithe to Melchizedek was from the spoils of war; of which he kept nothing for himself.
      However, he never seemed to tithe on his "personal wealth" read Gen.12:5 "all their substance..." Sounds like increase to me, but no tithe follows after!
      Gen.12:16 Abram received increase from Pharaoh as a dowry payment, but no tithe followed after!
      Gen.12:20 "...and all that he had" sounds like increase of personal wealth to me, but no tithe follows after!
      Gen.13:1-2 "...and all that he had..." and "very rich in cattle, in silver, and in gold." Sounds like personal wealth increase to me, but no tithe follows!
      Wow, Abram was "very rich" before he ever tithed; and then when he finally did: it wasn't even from his own personal wealth (which he must have been using to sustain his household, i.e. pay his bills.) Abram tithed from the spoils of war, Heb.7:2, 4 explains this.
      Finally, if one chooses to follow Abrams example of tithing, that's all well and good, but why not follow his whole example and keep nothing for yourself, but that would be taking the scriptures out of context, right!

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    2. Elder GAB…OKAY, Let’s GO …The Bible says in Genesis 14:20 “And blessed be the most high God, which hath delivered thine enemies into thy hand. And he gave him tithes of ALL.”

      The word ALL could imply more than just the spoils, CORRECT?
      Then you have in the Book of Hebrews Chapter 7 vs 2 and 3 –

      “2To whom also Abraham gave a tenth part of all; first being by interpretation King of righteousness, and after that also King of Salem, which is, King of peace; 3Without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life; but made like unto the Son of God; abideth a priest continually.

      AGAIN, “To whom also Abraham gave a tenth part of all.” A tenth part of ALL…

      I know in verse 4 it says “4Now consider how great this man was, unto whom even the patriarch Abraham gave the tenth of the spoils.”

      Could it be possible, he gave a tenth of all including the spoils?

      And just because the Bible says no more about Abraham tithing, doesn’t mean he discontinued doing so, CORRECT?

      Because ABRAHAM very own grandson Jacob (Genesis 28:20 “22 And this stone, which I have set for a pillar, shall be God's house: and of all that thou shalt give me I will surely give the tenth unto thee.”) followed to tithes as this teaching could have possibly been passed down from Abraham, CORRECT?

      TITHING with Abraham and Jacob was done before the LAW. And we know according to the LAW, Israel was to tithe. And like I said earlier, Jesus words to the Pharisee was that tithing was something they ought to have done.

      As far as Christians practice, I understand Paul said we should give cheerfully. But keep in mind, he’s saying this in context of the church giving an offering in support of the Church at Antioch. Christians should give offering as well.

      That said…tell me something, practically speaking…

      How and how much should Christians give?

      Should our plans to give from what God has blessed us with, be to buy houses, and cars, and furniture, and food, and TVs, and extra clothing, and jewelry, and computers, and other things we don't even need, then give to God what is left over?

      Is that what cheerful giving entails?

      This despite what The Bible says in Proverbs 3:9 "Honour the LORD with thy substance, and with the firstfruits of all thine increase:"?

      Should our plans be when giving, to do so in faith like the widow who gave all she had, trusting God because He is the SOURCE of all we have?

      Does this illustration have any implication as to our giving at all?

      I’m just trying to understand practically because it sounds good when we say we should give cheerfully from our heart.

      Then you have verses like Leviticus 27:30 “And all the tithe of the land, whether of the seed of the land, or of the fruit of the tree, is the LORD'S: it is holy unto the LORD.”

      Does this verse speak to us as Christians today (though it’s Old Testament), about 10% belonging to GOD?

      I mean… how do we put into play all these truths of Scripture?
      And of course the infamous question, Will a Man rob God in tithes and offering? And His promises to bless if we do.

      Then you have PAUL mentioning tithing in 1 Corinthians 9:13, 14 “Do ye not know that they which minister about holy things live of the things of the temple? and they which wait at the altar are partakers with the altar? Even so hath the Lord ordained that they which preach the gospel should live of the gospel.”

      The FLIP side of Tithing is selfishness, dishonor, robbery…and making up your own rules for giving…

      God Bless...

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    3. Anonymous, thank you for your insights; however, NO! In the context of Gen.14:1-20; It is not possible that the "ALL" that Abram gave a tenth of was anything but the "spoils," this being made very clear according to the Hebrew writer.
      If you choose to interpret "ALL" as implying anything else, you may, but the Hebrew 7 writer, to me, seems to know what ALL he was talking about; and he said it was the tenth of the "spoils." But maybe he could be wrong too!!!!

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    4. Okay Elder Gab…I appreciate your response. The issue “to tithe”or “not to tithe” is an on-going one in the church. I’m still trying to get a handle here on what some call giving according to the New Testament, especially as it pertains to passages like:

      1 Corinthians 16:1,2 “Now concerning the collection for the saints, as I have given order to the churches of Galatia, even so do ye. Upon the first day of the week let every one of you lay by him in store, as God hath prospered him, that there be no gatherings when I come.” Keep in mind here, this passage is talking about the saints setting monies aside to support the poor church in Jerusalem. I mean…what do we do with this passage? How do we use this verse as a basis for our giving...the amount we should give out of our overall income? Should we make the decision to do US first, and give to God’s people last? Should we give to God what is RIGHT or what is LEFT? Should we ONLY give in church an offering to support poor saints, like in the example here?

      And… 2 Corinthians 9:6-8 “But this I say, He which soweth sparingly shall reap also sparingly; and he which soweth bountifully shall reap also bountifully. Every man according as he purposeth in his heart, so let him give; not grudgingly, or of necessity: for God loveth a cheerful giver. And God is able to make all grace abound toward you; that ye, always having all sufficiency in all things, may abound to every good work: Again, here Paul revealed his plan to visit Corinth, soon after Titus and his two companions arrived, to further motivate the Corinthians to complete their collection and have it ready to go to Judea.

      I don’t want to sound like a tactician, but from the passages quoted earlier, I think it is possible to think Abraham gave a tenth of all including the spoils. (BTW, you cracked me up with your statement “But maybe he could be wrong too!!!!”)

      ABRAHAM very own grandson Jacob tithed. Jesus said to the Pharisees these (tithing) ought ye to have done. Leviticus 27:30 says “And all the tithe of the land, whether of the seed of the land, or of the fruit of the tree, is the LORD'S: it is holy unto the LORD.” Proverbs 3:9 states "Honour the LORD with thy substance, and with the firstfruits of all thine increase:"? And of course the LORD’s Great Promise Malachi 3:8-10 Will a man rob God? Yet ye have robbed me. But ye say, Wherein have we robbed thee? In tithes and offerings.Ye are cursed with a curse: for ye have robbed me, even this whole nation. Bring ye all the tithes into the storehouse, that there may be meat in mine house, and prove me now herewith, saith the LORD of hosts, if I will not open you the windows of heaven, and pour you out a blessing, that there shall not be room enough to receive it.

      Personally I think a lot of us have gotten way of the mark when it comes to being a good steward over what the LORD has given us. If most Christians’ giving is as they purposeth in his heart, then we can tell a whole lot about their hearts. It is said if you want to know the heart of a person, look at his checkbook. See how he spends his money. The Bible says Matthew 6:21 “For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.” Most folks who do not believe in tithing, give to God as an afterthought. And when tithing is mentioned, many of them have the idea that they can’t afford to tithes. This is not a “scripture” problem. This is a personal problem. Again I ask, Should our plans to give from what God has blessed us with, be to buy houses, and cars, and furniture, and food, and TVs, and extra clothing, and jewelry, and computers, and other things we don't even need, then give to God what is left over? Is that what cheerful giving entails?

      God Bless...

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  6. I say give according to the New Testament Standard ! Jesus addressed the hypocrisy of the Pharisee`s because Tithing was something that they practiced at that time. Consider the fact that Jesus Christ is Perfect and he came to Save us...plain and simple! So when we read the Synoptic Gospels, we see not one example of Jesus paying Tithes nor does he Teach the multitude about Tithing, nor do we read about the Disciples of Christ paying tithes in any Temple or Synagogue ! If tithing was required, the Son of God would have exhorted us to practice Tithing! No where does Jesus Christ do that! If you want to use the Old Testament for your Standard then don't leave any of the Old Testament out, especially the part about, Sacrifices and "Stoning" ! So...give your Offerings, and pay your Bills...Pay your Rent and House Note on time...feed your Family...keep your Lights and Heat on...Pay your Car Note...be a Blessing to your Church and to others.

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  7. I don't know why this question keeps coming up anyways. Only about 2% of church goers tithe. And those that tithes are able to tithe and pay their expenses. Most church goers struggling with bills do not tithe. So it beckon me to question is there another underline issue. Issues like preachers getting paid too much. Or proper distribution of church funds to the poor. Or maybe faulty budgeting for small and mega Churches. Lack of Biblical teaching on stewardship for members. Lack of Personal Financial commitment of all church members. I just think we get over emotional about stuff that are the exception rather than the rule. And miss opportunities where we can make a real difference.

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