Why Are Black Pastors Abandoning The Old Black Church Teaching?

While Rev. Walter Hoye was during his 30 days jail stay for rejecting a deal from a judge to keep 100 yards from an abortion "clinic" he penned a letter, kinda like the letter Dr. King pen from a Birmingham jail...But what I find fascinating is how the good Rev.has all of a sudden abandon The Old Black Church (baptist) teaching and pick up the cause of the Catholic and White Evangelical agenda?... Question how did abortion become the top thing affect/effect his church and community in Oakland Calf?...I going to be frank with you; I have never heard of any Catholic Church or other church speak out about the ills that affect/effect the black community... But the good Rev. is encouraging black pastors to push the abortion issue on Sunday morning and during mid week services...If that takes place what will be come of the agenda for the black community?...So Iam asking can praise adequately be raised for the good Rev who seems to have forgotten his oath?...Who's by the way is an African-American Baptist pastor at lest that's how he describes himself. Here's the letter:

  • "Here my thoughts turn towards my brothers, men of the cloth, men who are called and sanctified by God the Father. Men who are preserved as the bondservants of Jesus Christ. Men who serve as the holy burden bearers of God's word. Men who are the watchmen on the wall. It is now in the spirit of the prophet Ezekiel, I write to my fellow watchmen on the wall."
  • Noting the statistics on abortion of African Americans, Rev. Hoye writes: "Brothers, in Black America alone every seventy-two seconds a black baby is murdered in the womb of his or her mother. This holocaust is genocidal to the point that today a black child has less than a fifty-percent chance of being born. According to the 2006 U.S. Census, Black Americans are below the replacement level.
  • "In other words, death in Black America outpaces life. Abortion alone accounts for three times more deaths in our community than HIV/AIDS, Violent Crimes, Accidents, Cancer, and Heart Disease combined. There is no question pre-natal murder, abortion, is the number one issue in not only Black America, but in all of America today."

It's nothing wrong with pastors speaking out about abortion on Sunday morning or during mid week services but we should also not forget why most likely you would have a young African American women considering an abortion...How can you convince a well informed pregnant woman to keep her baby? When the moment she awakes she has to put on her own survival gear and that is to stay alive another day...She has to deal with ;violence,unemployment,homeliness,discrimination etc...

Comments

  1. Hi there Annie,

    Thanks for mentioning this issue.

    First...I think that it is a problem when "the black church" construct is associated with Baptist doctrine.

    Secondly...Baptists are just one denomination. Baptists are not the representatives for the entire body of Christ. Baptist doctrine is not the framework of Christian doctrine for all.

    I know that you haven't made any of those statements at your blog but I'm making those points because they are important.

    With that said...

    I do believe that the abortion statistics of black women SHOULD be publicized in the church setting but we need to also implement abortion recovery ministries just as we have drug addiction recovery ministries and divorce recovery ministries and other types of counseling for people who have endured life-altering decisions.

    There are TWICE as many black fetuses destroyed than there are black babies born. Twice as many! We can't continue to whisper about that statistic.

    I am not defending this guy's methods since I don't know the details of his particular situation however.

    Peace, blessings and DUNAMIS!
    Lisa

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  2. Lisa thanks for your comment "I think that it is a problem when "the black church" construct is associated with Baptist doctrine."

    Why? I don't understand What's wrong with having a Baptist doctrine?:

    "The Baptists, or traditional Baptists, are defined simply as that body of people, traceable under a variety of names, that proclaim and practice the belief that the Bible is the authority for man in all matters of faith, doctrine, and life and is to be adhered to if one is to find oneself in the perfect will of God.
    I have always thought that the Baptist doctrine did a wonderful job of representing Christ to a dying world.

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  3. He's trying to get paid! That's all it is. There are many preachers who want to breakthrough to stardom instead of letting the Holy Spirit draw those who have open hearts.
    Jaycee

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  4. Hi Annie!

    I actually didn't say that there's something wrong with having Baptist doctrine...what I said was that "I think that it is a problem when 'the black church' construct is associated with Baptist doctrine."

    The "black church" (the term meaning Christian congregations that are predominately black) is not ONLY Baptist.

    The "black church" consists of many black denominations and hundreds of thousands of independent churches that intentionally choose to have no denominational affiliation at all.

    Therefore, "the black church" should not be associated with Baptists alone but with ALL Christian assemblies with predominately black congregations - including those black congregations that are affiliated with white denominations.

    Peace, blessings and DUNAMIS!
    Lisa

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  5. The agenda in the Black community should be a sin agenda as far as the pastor in discussion is concerned. Abortion on demand is a sin, so are so many of the other ills that have become pathological in our communities. This pastor has a right to follow his conscience and his Savoirs leadings without being accused of trying to get rich or having an agenda that is less than immediately pertinent. Jesus didn't come focusing on the same ol' agenda either.

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  6. Let's be frank -- abortion wasn't an issue until it was white middle class women getting abortions!! Anne, I agree, lets called a Spade a Spade, these Black ministers trumpeting which are essentially white people issues. You don't see Pat Robertson or the Moral Majority running to speak out against Black on Black crime, poverty, police brutality, drug sentencing, public housing and the myriad of others that concern many Black people.

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  7. @Mista Jaycee thanks for your comment and I believe money could be the driving force behind this idea.

    @Lisa thanks for clarifying your statement...I only mention Baptist because it's the denomination in which the pastor have been associated with.

    @saint james thanks for your comment Now I agree that sin should be the at the top of every churches agenda...But,when you are a black pastor with a black congregation you need address the ills and pains that affect/effect that community.

    And I am willing to bet if you're a black pastor in a black neighborhood it's not abortion.

    Now,in reality I know the reason others churches don't address our ills and pain because it don't affect/effect their congregation.

    @LACoincidental Thanks! that's all I was trying to say, you nailed it.

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  8. What race of people best represents the doctors that perform abortions? What race of people suffers twice the number of abortions as births? What liberal, democratic party supporting organizations support Roe v. Wade and create special funds to perform abortion in low-income, minority occupied communities? What organization provided funds to support the presidential campaign of an individual that believed and voted that babies surviving an abortion not receive medical care? If race mattered, would an abortion be a white on black crime or a black on black crime? For Annie, if a black woman has a baby then, does that mean she forgot to put on her survival suit?

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  9. According to the Center for Bio-Ethical Reform there are 115, 000 abortions performed daily and 42 million annually around the world. If this man views abortion as the death of an innocent doesn't he have a right to follow the LORD"s leading as he leads his congregation? He is the LORD's servant who are we to judge that? In the US 60% of abortions are white. According to the info provided; Black women are disporportionately more likely to have an abortion; 3x more likely. Hispanics are 2x more likely. This is more likely if the household income is between $15, 000 and $24, 000 yearly. Sounds like an awful lot of Black women may be in that income bracket.

    I am indeed a black pastor in the black community in Boston and abortion IS an issue with my single, female congregants who have failed to be celibate as they wait for a husband who is AIDS and drug free; not incarcerated and is committed to a Christian outlook. They stumble and get pregnant and feel ashamed, overwhelmed and afraid; yes sometimes they get an abortion. I often am unaware of it until much later. We work with a support program called A Women's Concern right her e int he urban center. Womena dn girls of all races; mostly black recieve support as they decide to keep their babies and rear them alone.
    As far as the Black Church is concerned GOD don't see a black church He sees THE Church. This preacher must follow the LORD and work out his own soul's salvation.
    Abortion is not the only issue but it is not an issue that shouldn't be address b the Black Church.

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  10. @saint james with respect sir I never said that abortion was not part of our community...What I am saying is that abortions IS NOT the number one thing at the top of that list in the black community,that's all.

    "As far as the Black Church is concerned GOD don't see a black church He sees THE Church."Pastor Why wouldn't God see a black church? My limited understanding is that "THE CHURCH" have not been established yet...So I believe He sees me in my ethnic just like He see Hispanic,Asian,Vietnamese etc...I wonder do they have a problem being label as what they represents? I doubt it.

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  11. Jill, respect right back atcha; I know you didn't say that it is number one. I was (trying) to make the point that there is a number of conditions in the community and if this pastor feels led to deal with abortion we should carry on with OUR focus and support HIS effort not critique him and help him decide what he should do as God's servant.
    Of course the LORD sees us as he created us but in Christ there is one church. "He hath made of all men one". He looks and sees The Body of Christ.

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  12. Ps I have NO problem being labeled Black. I am very happy to be balck and I don't know anyone who isn't happy to be so. I was speaking theologically.

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  13. @saint james thanks for your comment and I was just messing with you I understand what you meant by your statement.

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  14. As a valck Catholic, i am highly offended at your insinuation that the Catholic Chruch does nothing for poor or minorities people in the USA or the rest of the world. There are entires orders of nuns and priest founded to serve the poor.....anythime you get ahcnace Google St. Vincent de Paul and Missionaries of Cahrity, all the Catholic hospitals and school in poor urban neighbourhoods.....while you may complain that the Catholic Chruch does not speak out about poverty, maybe becuase it is we have been doing something about it ...for hundereds of years

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  15. I'm not sure if abortion is the "number 1" issue in the black community or not but when 1 out of every 2 pregnant African American women ends their pregnancy with abortion, it would seem to rank pretty high. At that rate, there won't be an African American community to advocate for. This is hardly a "white person's issue" as an earlier post suggested. If you study the roots of Planned Parenthood and the abortion movement, you'll learn that abortion was originally a systematic effort extinguish black people and sterilize black women. Not a conspiracy theory, but fact. Let this pastor speak the truth. Whatever the motives... the man has a point.

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  16. Jill, respect right back atcha; I know you didn't say that it is number one. I was (trying) to make the point that there is a number of conditions in the community and if this pastor feels led to deal with abortion we should carry on with OUR focus and support HIS effort not critique him and help him decide what he should do as God's servant.
    Of course the LORD sees us as he created us but in Christ there is one church. "He hath made of all men one". He looks and sees The Body of Christ.

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