The Autopsy Of A Dead Sunday School!!


This is an interesting conference. I'm thinking when hubby and I return to the church, we're going to find us a church that still believe in the concept of Sunday School. I love a good Sunday School class.

Who killed Sunday School? Who would benefit from its'death? Was it homicide or suicide? What was the murder weapon? Was there a cover-up? What do you do when the Pastor is the Prime Suspect? Has the church sabotaged the investigation? Has the investigator been paid off? Was Sunday School poisoned by the other departments?  

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  1. What are your thoughts about Sunday School?

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    1. Our Children's ministry is called "Christ Kids"! The kids here have never really heard the term Sunday School unless it was mentioned by an adult. We have always focused on discipleship and Church culture rather than an educational format and environment. I believe kids need exposure to training and being shown how to BE Christ rather than just have a lot of knowledge ABOUT Christ! This generation is exciting to work with, they have a passion and love for God and His House from birth! :)

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  2. I think that it is an important part of religious training and growth. It is there that I really learned about the Bible, the books of the Bible, Christian traditions, etc. In my church we called it "Church School". I feel that it is a needed component and a very valuable part of the church and faith. Not everyone can make Wednesday night Bible study or will study the Bible on their own. Just hearing a sermon on Sunday morning is not nearly enough in my opinion. The reason that Church School has died, or is dying, within many churches is because people are just too lazy and can't get out of bed on time--and, that can include the Pastor too! Also, those elders who know their duty to attend Church School have only grown more elderly and/or are dying out. But, the lessons that you learn in Church School will carry you all through life regardless of what path one chooses. One can be 95 years old and yet will always remember that verse (and the meaning behind it) that he/she learned when they were 2 or 3 years old; "Jesus wept".

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  3. The churches you hear about "SUNDAY SCHOOL" is not a part of their BRAND.

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    1. Even here, they are charging folks $75.00 to attend a conference about SUNDAY SCHOOL! ALL ideals of SUNDAY School is to teach and learn the WORD of GOD FREELY!

      UNBELIEVABLE!

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    2. Amen. This conference is carnal and full of the flesh. COGIC should be ashamed of itself doing this - charging people money. The reason Sunday School is dead is because the COGIC is DEAD. They don't emphasize STUDY, rather all those whooping and hollering preachers to show case them, and their music to get folks all emotional, jumping and shouting and crawling and spitting and purging, etc. Not to mention all the soliciting with all the offering to get money out of folks.

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    3. A lot of churches like COGIC don't have teachers equip to teach Sunday School. The Sunday School Director has no vision to grow the ministry.

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    4. That's very sad. As I posted earlier that's where I learned most of my biblical knowledge. I remember those (our) contests about finding the different books in the Bible, finding Biblical passages and/or reciting them from memory, Bible bowls, etc. I now do many of these Bible quizzes that are all over the place and I either get everything right or score very high! Thank you, Sister Rob!!!

      I also think that it helped build the camaraderie among us kids who were growing up in the church. We didn't just have our mother and father but we had our mothers and fathers. Our church school teachers took their positions quite seriously, (and many of them were domestics, other blue collar workers,... HECK, WORKERS! during the week), but they dutifully reported to "teacher's meeting" every Saturday and studied the lesson that they were going to teach. Sometimes the Pastor was there and other times not.

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  4. Ann,

    Please forgive my ignorance and I truly am not trying to be contentious. Can you please explain to me the difference between "Sunday School' and Sunday morning bible study?

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    1. Ira I really don't believe there's a difference. But for hubby and I, were're more familiar with the mid week bible studies and the Sunday morning Sunday School concept.

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  5. Ok, thanks for the clarification

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  6. I've attended Sunday School all my life and love studying the word, being taught the word and participating in discussions about the word. I served as a Sunday School teacher for many years. Teaching teens kept me on my toes and made me seek God for ways to keep the class engaged and keep the lessons fresh and exciting for the students. I was a great teacher and they told me so!!

    I've noticed in that both large and small churches, most of the membership do not attend Sunday School. There is a faithful core group and every now and then, a few others may give it a try.

    I think a lot of churches are personality driven. If the pastor (or some other "favorite" was in Sunday School, they would be there to see him and or hear him teach.

    Also, as someone stated, some teachers are not equipped to teach or make it attending exciting for younger students, and interesting for older students. Also, there are people who do not like to get up out of bed to attend Sunday School.

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    1. P.S. I think the adults who attend Sunday School are those who love the Word and/or want to learn more of the Word.

      As a kid I was made to attend Sunday School, but I loved it and would have gone on my own because I had a great teacher who made it exciting (and my friends were there too)!

      Nowdays, some parents don't enforce the rule that their children must attend Sunday School which means the parent doesn't have to get up and take them (unless busing is available).

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  7. Hello. Did the tradition of Sunday School and Baptist Training Union originated from the Bible Belt Region of the US?

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    1. Anonymous to answer your question, I don't know!

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  8. Ah! Now, I remember why our Pastor wanted my church to call our Sunday school "church school". He felt that our Christian education should not just be thought of as something that we do on a Sunday but more about church and Christian education. We also had our Youth Church, (every 3rd Sunday the youth would take over every job in the church--except for giving the sermon), in order to teach them how to conduct a service.

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    1. All this opportunity God gave you and you still preach for same sex marriage. Shows exactly how much you've learn. It's almost like you come here to paint a pretty background. When other ideals that you post are not from the heart of scriptures.

      "Again you say they are worthy of civil right. God says they are worthy of death."

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    2. Yes, I do and will continue to do so. I am a FIERCE supporter and advocate for equal justice, and equal civil rights, for everyone! I don't know about you, but I hail from a people that did not always have those things and many of them fought to their deaths fighting for them. I do not want someone else's personal choices and will inflicted upon me and therefore I do not want to inflict mine upon them. It was my choice to come to God and I came very willingly. The choices that I make for myself are personal as is my relationship with the Lord.

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    3. " If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple."

      Jesus is FOR marriage as He designed IT, defined IT, established IT - one man, one woman.

      Jesus is AGAINST "marriage" that is of the DEVIL. Your fight for perverts to marry is MESSY! UNGODLY! UNBIBLICAL! UNRIGHTEOUS! ABOMINATION!

      "Again you say they are worthy of civil rights. God says they are worthy of death."

      "If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple."

      GOD FIRST! Everything ELSE LAST!

      YOU proved you learned NOTHING in Sunday School (if indeed you actually attended a class.)

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    4. LADY BROCK, THANK YOU FOR POSTING THIS. THIS IS DISCUSTING AND UNREAL FOR CHURCH OF GOD IN CHRIST TO HAVE SUCH AN EVENT. EVERY SATURDAY NIGHT THERE IS A SUNDAY SCHOOL FORUM TO DISCUSS THE LESSON FOR SUNDAY MORNING. I HAVE BEEN IN CHURCH OF GOD IN CHRIST FOR SIXTY YEARS AND AS A CHILD I WAS TAUGHT SUNDAY SCHOOL WAS THE FOUNDATION OF SOUND TEACHING OF GOD'S WORD AND OF WHAT THE CHURCH STOOD FOR. HOLINESS OR HELL YES I WAS SO GLAD TO GO TO SUNDAY SCHOOL I HAD GOOD TEACHERS. AS AN ADULT I HAVE TAUGHT SUNDAY SCHOOL TO YOUNG ADULTS. YES I AM EDUCATED NOT IN BIBLICAL DEGREES BUT IN PSYCH DEGREES AND I AM SAVED. I WILL NOT ATTEND A CHURCH THAT DOESN'T HAVE A SOUND SUNDAY SCHOOL PROGRAM . I HAVE LEARNED MORE IN SUNDAY SCHOOL THEN FROM SOME OF THE PASTORS I HAVE BEEN UNDER. BECAUSE THESE PASTORS DON'T ATTEND SUNDAY SCHOOL THEY COME OUT AFTER PRAISE AND WORSHIP HAS STARTED . CHURCH OF GOD IN CHRIST NEEDS TO STOP THE FOOLISHNESS AND DRAMA CANCEL THE EVENT OR HAVE THE EVENT FOR FREE. AND EDUCATE THE PEOPLE'S ON THE DYNAMIC OF SUNDAY SCHOOL PR
      PEOPLE'S ARE HURTING AND THEY NEED A WORD FROM THE LORD FREELY YOU GIVE FREELY YOU RECEIVE . HOW MANY CONFORENCES AND CONVENTIONS CAN ONE DENOMENATIONAL HAVE IN ONE YEAR. YES CHURCH OF GOD IN CHRIST HAS TO TOO MANY . PEOPLE'S DON T HAVE THE TIME LESS MORE THE MONEY TO GO TO ALL THESE EVENTS.

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  9. But, if I may point out other skills and help that anyone gains from attending Church School classes. It helped our reading skills immensely. For many people it ain't easy reading the KJV and understanding it with all of the various names, places, and learning how to pronounce and read them correctly. In school, a teacher with 30 kids, can only do so much and only spend so much time with each student. In Church School, (where classes were no larger than ten students on average), people could spend more time with each other and help each other too. I distinctly remember, (and quite fondly too), Sister Williams who literally was illiterate. But, she faithfully attended church, church school, Bible study, etc. No one laughed at her because she could not read. If they did, you were taught how that was wrong and was put into your proper place. So, one also learned compassion and how to help our fellow Sister or Brother. In fact, Sister Williams was always encouraged to try and was never skipped over when it was her turn to read. She was in a loving and caring space and felt safe to always try and to do her very best. After a couple of years of this she was reading!

    Church School also helped people develop their cognitive thinking and oratory skills. We learned how to stand up publicly and make an argument, tell a story, research scripture, etc. Unfortunately, regular schooling simply doesn't have the time or personnel to spend time to devote to each individual like that. We also learned how to dress properly, sit properly, how to interact and socialize with each other. There were so many other skills that we (I) learned that are directly because of the church that I am able to use in my everyday life until this very day!

    I had GREAT parents but both of my parents worked full time and worked very hard. As much as they may have wanted to they couldn't have covered all of my upbringing. As the saying goes; "It takes a village" and that village was my church family. I think that it is unfortunate that there are those who feel that they must charge money ($75 plus hotel expenses, etc is no joke for many people) for discussing a faction and issue which is vital to the overall church.

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    1. COGIC has done it again. Another way to “raise” money. Their greed is their god!

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    2. @Janice Houston, it seems that way to me. I've never seen a religious organization that is blatant about the money.

      They have a routine before every offering: put up a speaker who will hype the people up, get them declaring this or that, touching their neighbor, declaring and hoping for blessings and miracles from God, and DANCING and shouting. They ALWAYS try to work the people into an emotional state before the offering.

      And COGIC seems like a pyramid to me; most of the money flows from the bottom tot he top. The saints are always asked to give to this person or that person service after service.

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    3. And now that I know the truth about much of what goes on, I’m hanging in there by a thread. I and a few like me, we’re looking for a physical place to assemble to continue to study God’s Word. Without the hype, and to work gullible people into an emotional frenzy, they have nothing to offer. I’m sad, because this is NOT the COGIC Church I grew up in, was born into. The old saints that are gone on, wouldn’t believe The bafoolery that has taken the church by storm.

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    4. A good church is hard to find. I pray G8d lead you outta there. My wife's dad was a COGIC minister. We left in a heart beat. Pray and seek Gods guidance. He will never leave you nor forsake you!

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    5. The objective of the Sunday school is never to teach any literacy skills. It is turned to teach the word of God. Your comments pose as a direct reflection of you carnal and worldly state. "Love not the world, or the things therein". God made us so we can glorify Him. He gets no glory out of the works of the flesh. The flesh is an enemy of God.

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    6. @Janice Houston, seek God, He will direct you to where your soul can be fed without shenanigans on the side.

      *also, I should have said at every conference/convocation, offerings are raised for this one and that one which I know is the custom of COGIC.

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    7. Without Him I am lost. I appreciate your time and encouraging words. Yes we are waiting on the leading of God to direct us to where we’re going next. I love God, and I often wonder why was I chosen to see what’s going on and others think there’s something wrong with us. I’m like, why can’t they see the trick of satan at work in the church? But like someone said, God gets no glory out of the foolishness that they are doing over His people. The great falling away is upon us, and many don’t see it.

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  10. "The objective of the Sunday school is never to teach any literacy skills. It is turned to teach the word of God. Your comments pose as a direct reflection of you carnal and worldly state..."

    Uh-huh... My church would definitely indeed welcome you with open and loving arms, my Sister/Brother.

    Miss Ann, you asked in another one of your published pieces the following; "Seriously y 'all, how can people be so darn gullible and stupid??!!..." May I present Exhibit "A" above? Now, anyone who isn't an advocate for literacy, (like the Slave Owners of USA slavery who passed laws making it illegal to teach slaves how to read), desires to keep a person metaphorically dumb and blind for what reason(s)? A lack of education and an inability to critically think only opens the door for one to be taken advantaged of.

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    1. YOUR dishonesty and silliness is on display, and you are like a Pharisee, are too blind to see that it's oozing from your very own flesh.

      No one here said anything about NOT being an advocate for literacy. Again it always has been the OBJECTIVE and VISION of even the INVENTOR of the Sunday School, to teach the BIBLE. All you mumble jumble about advocacy for literacy, illegal to teach slaves, lack of education, critical thinking is UTTER GARBAGE! We are talking about SUNDAY SCHOOL. Somehow however, I'm not surprised by your antics to make yourself feel important. As a principle of truth from the SCRIPTURES, we all must DENY ourselves to follow Him. Not my will, but thine will be DONE!

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    2. You know... I have responded to you in the past informing you that I typically do not acknowledge stupidity, and that unlike yourself, I'm not looking for any new friends. But, I must admit that I do find your ignorance quite entertaining at times. With that said, and in the spirit of Christian fellowship, let me try and help you!

      The English Anglican evangelical Robert Raikes (1725-1811) was the key promoter of the
      Sunday School movement.

      Now, I want you to READ the following very carefully. If you don't comprehend it just let me know and I will come back to help you. Just mentally let me hold your hand as you take this important step! Have no fear. I've got you!!!

      "It is important to realize that Sunday schools were originally literally schools: they were places were poor children could learn to read. The Sunday school movement began in Britain in the 1780s. The Industrial Revolution had resulted in many children spending all week long working in factories. Christian philanthropists wanted to free these children from a life of illiteracy. Well into the 19th century, working hours were long. The first modest legislative restrictions came in 1802. This resulted in limiting the number of hours a child could work per day to 12! This limit was not lowered again until 1844. Moreover, Saturday was part of the regular work week. Sunday, therefore, was the only available time for these children to gain some education. Denominations and non-denominational organizations caught the vision and energetically began to create Sunday schools. Within decades, the movement had become extremely popular. By the mid-19th century, Sunday school attendance was a near universal aspect of childhood. Even parents who did not regularly attend church themselves generally insisted that their children go to Sunday school. Working-class families were grateful for this opportunity to receive an education. They also looked forward to annual highlights such as prize days, parades, and picnics, which came to mark the calendars of their lives as much as more traditional seasonal holidays. Religious education was, of course, always also a core component. The Bible was the textbook used for learning to read. Likewise, many children learned to write by copying out passages from the Scriptures. ..."

      Now, did you "get" that? Do you understand? If not, please DO NOT feel ashamed and not let us know. WE ARE HERE FOR YOU!!!!

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    3. LOL...

      Look....

      No need for all your DRAMA, just to cut and paste from WIKIPEDIA. I'm not phased one bit by your unsophisticated ways. All this craziness...you do not acknowledge stupidity, not looking for any new friend, finding my ignorance entertaining, spirit of Christian fellowship, trying to help me out is LAUGHABLE! What is WRONG with YOU? You don't act your AGE at ALL!

      Bottom line...Sunday School as we know the way it's done in churches TODAY, and as it's been for a long time, is about teaching the word of God. And if that's not good enough, even before Robert Raikes, the LORD ADAMANTLY instructed , His people to teach their children -

      "And these words, which I command thee this day, shall be in thine heart: And thou shalt teach them diligently unto thy children, and shalt talk of them when thou sittest in thine house, and when thou walkest by the way, and when thou liest down, and when thou risest up."

      It doesn't get any plainer than THAT!

      "Let the wicked forsake his way, and the unrighteous man his thoughts: and let him return unto the LORD, and he will have mercy upon him; and to our God, for he will abundantly pardon. For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the LORD."

      What a FRIEND I have in Jesus! You on the other hand, are His enemy. Remember He did it all! Your good works are as of FILTHY RAGS!

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  11. People don't have time for Sunday School anymore. People don't want to be in church all day any more. You're lucky if you get them to stay even an hour. People don't love and serve GOD like they use to anymore. That's why Sunday School is almost none existing.

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    1. I totally agree. It's the heart of the people.

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