Supreme Court Rules For Baker In Same-Sex Wedding Cake Case!!


We take one step forward and two steps back. Since when does my sincere religious beliefs allow me to harm others? I never understood where to find that verse in the Bible. Anyhow on yesterday the highest court in the land ruled in favor of a Colorado baker who refused to make a custom cake for a same-sex couple, citing his religious beliefs. I’ve read the opinion. I’m up in the air on this one. Discrimination of any kind is inherently wrong.

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  1. Haha I got time to day🤣🤣

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  2. Ms. Ann, this is why elections matter. Don't think the stealing of a SC Justice pick ain't have nothing to do with this

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  3. Ms. Ann you got a real retard, you know you slow, when you sit around posting comments knowing that they will be removed, you know you are special����

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  4. I'm glad they ruled in his favor. These people were not harmed, just offended. You should not be forced to do something that goes against your religious beliefs, if it's within reason.

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  5. I like the ruling too. One thing I hate about the LGBT is their aggression to will themselves against those who don't favor their lifestyle.

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    1. And, this is how they win. It's okay that you don't approve of their lifestyle. That is your right. HOWEVER, when you CHOOSE to create and open a business you are agreeing to serve the public. Now, this just opens up the door for discrimination. There is a reason for the separation of church & State. It was not very long ago that "religious freedom" was used as an excuse to discriminate against Black people. I respectfully remind everyone of the Maurice Bessinger case of 1968 where the restaurateur refused to serve African Americans in his restaurants because he 100% believed that it violated his religious principles & beliefs. Never think that those times can never ever return. I say this over and over again. An attack on another's civil rights and liberties is an attack on us all! And, you think that those times can't happen again? Here ya go: "South Carolina Restaurant Refuses To Serve Black Patrons — Denny’s Redux: The firestorm over a restaurant's decision to kick out a group of black patrons because a white woman felt "threatened" brings back memories of the 1990s./By JOE PATRICE:Aug 26, 2013

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  6. No need for your black hype to infuse a lie. The folks that discriminated against Maurice did not do so to exercise their religious freedom. They did so solely on race.

    These bakers have the right to practice their religious conviction as Christians believing the truth, marriage was created and designed by God to be between a man and woman. Thank God, the supreme court ruled in their favor.

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    1. I totally agree with you! Nothing left to say, but amen!!! They stood on their Christian beliefs. I know God honored it. I’m grateful they won. This is totally different from being discriminated against because of your skin tone. They are totally different! Why is church folks comprising their beliefs? I applauded the courts decision!

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    2. "No need for your black hype to infuse a lie."--What is the lie? That was Maurice Bessinger's argument. He truly believed that he was being a "good Christian" by not serving Black people in his restaurants. Who am I, or you, to question what he sincerely believed? The following is a good reading about that case and what is happening now. It's the very same thing and what my point is; Don't think that it can't happen again;
      "Religious Freedom Bills Echo Maurice Bessinger’s Legal Battle"--https://www.free-times.com/blogs/religious-freedom-bills-echo-maurice-bessinger-s-legal-battle/article_0f61893d-a051-54a3-acce-511b95d918f8.html

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    3. You are right. My Bad. Maybe I shouldn't have said you infused a lie. You just fail to tell the whole truth IMO.

      I wouldn't say Maurice Bessinger's believed that he was being a "good Christian" by not serving Black people in his restaurants. He wanted to deny Blacks and tried to find a loop hole in the law to support his racist views. Good Christians don't use the Old Testament to justify racism. I don't get that same attitude from the couple at the bakery. I'm sure they served Blacks. Their conviction was against same sex marriage.

      This whole notion of Black Rights and GAY Rights are not the same to me (go to youtube and watch Civil Rights vs Stonewall - VERY INTERSTING and let me know what you think). God made all people. He hates homosexuality. Many homosexuals are some of the biggest racists on the planet.

      The part I think you refused to mention in the Bessinger case (according to the article YOU referenced) was Judge Simons ruled that Bessinger could not refuse black patrons at his sandwich shop, since its customers primarily ate on premises, but he allowed discrimination at the five Piggie Park drive-ins, since over half of their customers ordered food to go. The restaurants, he reasoned, were not “principally engaged in selling food for consumption on the premises” and therefore not subject to the Civil Rights Act.

      It's all about the law and how it's interpreted. Stop spreading rhetoric about going BACK, especially with the case here. Note the ruling today, the SUPREME COURT found in favor this couple who were convicted by their beliefs.


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    4. "...I wouldn't say Maurice Bessinger's believed that he was being a "good Christian" by not serving Black people in his restaurants. He wanted to deny Blacks and tried to find a loop hole in the law to support his racist views. Good Christians don't use the Old Testament to justify racism..."--Come again? How do you know this? How do you think slave owners, (Good Christians), justified slavery? THEY USED THE BIBLE! And, they truly believed it and it was indeed a heartfelt belief. If anyone is currently trying to find a loophole in the law I would argue that it would be the religious right of today. I personally could literally introduce you to at least 3 chefs who would consider their dishes (creations) works of art. You see where this has the possibility of going? Justice Ginsberg said it best--well, in my opinion, anyway;

      “When a couple contacts a bakery for a wedding cake, the product they are seeking is a cake celebrating their wedding ― not a cake celebrating heterosexual weddings or same-sex weddings ― and that is the service [the couple] were denied,”

      Look, I "get" and respect your view(s) about the issue but there are others who do not share the same view. It's the same with many other issues. Therefore, society has to find the more equal and just solution for the common good. Here's an exercise: Switch out the word "gay" or "same-sex" and replace them with the word "Christians" for a moment. For some reason it violates business owners freedoms and rights to serve "Christians". That's discrimination. It's using the same argument and it is still discriminatory none the less.

      And, these are the arguments to gut other civil rights and protections. The gutting of the Voting Rights Act of 1964 was because it was thought to no longer be needed. "We have become the perfect union!", so they say. And, as we all know and now can see, it was this opening of that door and opportunity to suppress the Black and minority vote. But, I don't want to digress. The issue is not about "this rights", "that rights", and "who rights" It's about CIVIL and EQUAL rights sans discrimination. And, don't think that decisions such as this don't and/or won't affect the rights of Black people. Here's the apropo headline: "Oklahoma restaurant owner says he won’t serve gay or black customers" Hmm... both used in the same sentence...

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    5. Ok you may have a point. I don’t know if he considered himself to be a good Christian. I do know however, Good Christians don’t use the Bible to justify discriminating against mankind because of the color of his skin. I do know Good Christians do not support homosexual wedding and same sex marriage. Just because folks say they are Christians doesn’t make them Christians, no more than it make me a car just because I’m standing inside my garage. Christ said they are many who would say LORD LORD and I will say to them Depart from me I know you not. Same with slave owners. It is by their fruit you shall know them, and good Christians are overcomers, like the Bible says, by their testimonies. You say he is a good Christian because He said God commanded Hebrew not to mix with other races, that’s on you.

      I’m not sure this couple was trying to find a loophole in the law. They stated their conviction and went through the court system and the Supreme Court ruled in their favor. The gentleman said he would make them cookies and pastries and doughnuts, just not a wedding cake. He said further he doesn’t even do cakes for Halloween because of RELIGIOUS convictions.

      About Ruth Bader Ginsburg and Sonia Sotomayor, I would expect nothing more or less from. These women are outright lesbians who seek to follow the urges of their unnatural affection. People wed to marry. And God who created and define marriage says it should be between one man and one woman for life. This despite whatever union three chefs and two lesbians desire to create on their own. It is never a common good for man to marry another man or a woman to marry another woman. It’s simply not designed by the Creator to be that way.

      No need for the switch-a-roo Christian vs gay. Throughout history Christians have suffered - thrown to the lions, burned at the stakes, beheaded, you name it. And even today many Christians have to serve underground for fear of persecution. Where is the outrage there? I’m sure being denied a wedding cake is the least of any concern. We know the LORD say "count it all joy when you suffer persecution'.

      For the owner of the restaurant who says he won’t serve gay or black customers, there are laws against that. All those discriminated against by him has to do is take him to court and let the judge decide. Personally… if this guy don’t want me to eat at his restaurant, I would not patronize him with my money. There are tons of a variety of places I can eat and feel welcome. Gays are screaming loud just to be heard ABOUT NOTHING! These folks left the leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another, did not like to retain God in their knowledge. Thus God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient; Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers. The BIBLE never describes anyone in that manner because of the color of their skin.

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  7. My Brother/Sister; To be clear... it is NOT my objective to change your beliefs at all. I personally consider myself a spiritual person (Baptist), and trust me, there are those who would definitely disagree with me, but that's their issue and not mine.

    You have found a religion, ideology, philosophy, that works well for you and your life. You have CHOSEN to live by those precepts of that thought. GREAT! However, not everyone, (quite many), do not believe as YOU do or have the same interpretations that YOU hold dear. But, a few things; Marriage has NOT held the same definition over the centuries that you personally hold. People married for all sorts of reasons. They married to combine assets, prevent war, to facilitate trade, etc. In fact, even today there are people who marry for various reasons and none of those reasons are wrong. It is their definition. And therefore, with that said, you (generally) want others to follow (or be forced) to adhere to those precepts that YOU have willingly accepted and chosen for YOURSELF to live by. It simply doesn't work like that. Not everyone believes in YOUR Bible or interprets it in the same fashion that YOU do. This is why there is a separation of The Church and The State. Different religions, churches, sects, have differing beliefs and interpretations! Other countries do this best when it comes to marriage. There is the civil ceremony (The State) and if a religion agrees with it or want to, a religious ceremony (The Church). But overall, it is The State that rules (render unto Caesar that which is Caesar's). The "Church" did not build the infrastructure that allows your business to operate. It did not build the roads, the electric grid. the sewage system, the water system etc. These were/are built and are maintained by the "State". Therefore, (once again), society, (The State), that has to find the more equal and just solution for the common good.

    Gays are NOT just screaming loud just to be heard ABOUT NOTHING! They want the SAME rights and freedoms that YOU so enjoy. Nothing more and nothing less. And YES! Rights can be taken away and lost! The Voting Rights Act of 1964 was not the first Act. There was the Act of 1867 (I believe that's right) and the 15th Amendment that gave Black folk (Black men at least) the right to vote. So! Why didn't Black folk vote? Peonage, Sharecropping, the "Black Code", and "Jim Crow" laws were not created overnight. But, they came into being by the chipping away of hard fought for rights and the passage of new laws. That's why an attack against another's civil rights is indeed an attack against us all!

    But, the religious right-wing knows how to fight against this. "They" know that Blacks are generally conservative and against many equality social issues--and there is nothing wrong with being against homosexuality, abortion, women's rights, etc. You are and believe what you do for whatever reasons. But, they will use that and align you with their cause to fight against whomever. But, make no mistake, that once that "enemy" is defeated there is a strong probability that you (generally) would be next. I'm sure you know the idiom; "They went for this, then they went for that, and then they came for me."

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    1. Well...You can judge deduce one's trying to change your way of thinking or not. My intent is to tell the TRUTH. It up to anyone to ACCEPT it or REJECT it. That's their CHOICE. What about you liberals who preach your doctrine of "tolerance" and "inclusion" as a doctrine? Why? Because I your intent is pure, and NO ONE should ever think you are not about CHANGING others, RIGHT? GIVE ME A BREAK!

      I'm not sure if you are gay, but if you are, your lifestyle is an abomination according to God who made all. It's never about religion, ideology or philosophy but rather as I presumed earlier, it’s about TRUTH. Regardless of your or any man's ability to "interpret", you or he CAN NOT re-define what God has designed.

      The TRUTH is God made man in His image, and requires man to obey Him. Man choose to disobey (ie. living the homo lifestyle despite God calling it an abomination) and deserves to DIE because of his disobedience. But God in His love, sent his Son to die for sinful man, that if man believes what Christ did for him, he can be saved and live for Him. If you REJECT His LOVE and HIS redemptive YOU will DIE in your sins and burn forever.

      Your talk about your reasons why men marry, MEANS ABSOLUTELY NOTHING. Point of the matter is marriage is between a man and a woman, the two become ONE, and the common good is for them to procreate, to be fruitful and multiply and raise children as MOTHERS and FATHERS!

      And all your craziness about church and state is NONSENSE. The reason separation of Church and State has nothing to do with difference of Religion, but rather so the STATE don't impose a "RELIGION" on its citizen, because according to Jefferson, the matter of religion has to so with that person and God.

      And cut out all the religious right wing paranoia. Black folks have become some of the most liberal folks in they world. "Wake up o ye that sleep and slumber"

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    2. I don't believe in your God or your book of fairy tales. Although it makes for great reading--it really does! If you choose to live your life by it then I'm happy that you're so happy. That's your choice. But, it ain't mine.

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    3. You said you were "Baptist". Baptist believe in the God of the Bible. They don't believe the Bible to be a book of Fairy Tales. You are lying. I don't believe in YOU!

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    4. You lied about being Baptist. You said you were spiritual. Tell us all about the fairytale made up version of your "spirituality" you concocted in your brain.

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    5. I have not lied. I was baptized (immersed in the water) by the Baptist denomination in the name of the Father, Son, and the Holy Ghost and I believe in THE resurrection and the resurrection of the dead. I know all too well: Tuesday nights/Choir Rehearsal; Wednesday nights/Bible Study; Saturdays/Youth Church; Sundays/Church School, Morning Service/Afternoon Service. And, I am QUITE spiritual.

      Before the Bible there was God. So, this "God of the Bible" I do not know who you speak of. The Bible is a guideline for living and daily improvement. It's not a book filled with edicts. We are given the gift of free will--although there are those who would argue that God has overrode free will for some ie "And, God hardened Pharaoh's heart." The only thing that God requires of us is; "Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself. On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets."

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    6. Baptists do not believe the Bible contain "fairy tales". You do. You went down a wet devil and came up a dry devil. Homosexuality is an abomination.

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    7. Clearly you are ignorant of the debate that has been going on for quite some time now among and within the Christian religion . The question: Whether the Bible should be taken literally or metaphorically.

      "Just how much of the Bible should be interpreted literally is one of the hottest debates within Christianity today, and there are many different opinions. Some people believe the Bible must be defended against attacks on its accuracy and Divine origin. But, common literary techniques like parable, metaphor and allegory do not negate the Bible's message, nor do they threaten the faith. The Bible's teachings stand on their own merits, whether or not those teachings are delivered via stories that are intended to be taken literally. The important thing is that we understand what God is telling us through the Bible and that we don't let arguments about the literal truth of the Bible distract us from that goal."

      Finally, I find it interesting that you mention quite frequently that homosexuality is an abomination and yet mention nothing about many other abominations. Why is that? There are PLENTY others. Like, Luke 16:15, Ezekial 18:6-13; the eating of shellfish, wearing two different fabrics; on and on... They're all abominations.

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    8. There is no debate within Christianity the literal interpretation of the Bible. You seem to have an affinity for homosexuality. Now you are using shellfish, the ideal "Christian" gays uses to support their perverted lifestyle.
      The Bible clearly stated " “And the voice spake unto him again the second time, What God hath cleansed, that call not thou common )unclean).” AND "If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them." The Bible is not a Book of "guideline for living and daily improvement". It is the WORD of GOD - Joshua said to the Israelites, "Come here and listen to the words of the LORD your God".

      YOU are UNCLEAN!

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    9. I have an affinity for speaking up and fighting for equal civil rights. As I wrote elsewhere; An attack on one is an attack upon us all. Re shellfish: Leviticus 11:9-12. The Bible clearly stated this too among other abominations.

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    10. "And the Lord God caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam, and he slept: and he took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh instead thereof; And the rib, which the Lord God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man. And Adam said, This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man. Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh."

      There is NO SUCH THING as a "gay" marriage". Christians speak for GOD, and against "gay" marriages and any CIVIL rights associated with it!

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      "And saw heaven opened, and a certain vessel descending upon him, as it had been a great sheet knit at the four corners, and let down to the earth: Wherein were all manner of fourfooted beasts of the earth, and wild beasts, and creeping things, and fowls of the air. And there came a voice to him, Rise, Peter; kill, and EAT!

      But Peter said, Not so, Lord; for I have never eaten any thing that is common or unclean. And the voice spake unto him again the SECIOND time, What God hath cleansed, that call not thou common.

      This was done THRICE (three TIMES): and the vessel was received up again into heaven."

      A shellfish (and pigs t00) were made by GOD. They are not 'UNCLEAN". Everything he made was GOOD! It's obvious you missed the message why he told them it was an abomination to eat shellfish!

      AGAIN, the court ruled in favor (7-2 the two that voted against were lesbians...hmmm) in favor of the BAKERS. Thank GOD they did not have an affinity for HOMOSEXUALITY like YOU. They advanced for the common good of mankind. Hallelujah!





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    11. If you wanna to talk abomination, don't just limit it to shellfish and woven clothes (acting like a CHILD doing tit for tat)

      The LORD says

      yea, seven [are] an abomination unto him:

      1. A proud look (GAY PRIDE)...

      2. a lying tongue ("Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves: Who changed the truth of God into a LIE,:")...

      3. and hands that shed innocent blood, ("Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, MURDER, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers) A LOT OF THESE SERIAL KILLERS and WORLD WAR LEADERS were HOMOSEXUALS)…

      4. An heart that deviseth wicked imaginations ("but became vain in their IMAGINATION, and their foolish heart was darkened"}

      5 feet that be swift in running to mischief, (but have pleasure in them that do them.")

      6 A false witness [that] speaketh lies, (Being filled with all unrighteousness, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers)

      7. and he that soweth discord among brethren.

      YOU say they are worthy of CIVIL RIGHTS.

      The LORD says they are worthy of DEATH…”Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death,

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    12. CONCLUSION: Homosexuality is an ABOMINATION. They are REPROBATES who are guilty of all ABOMINATION. Eating shrimp and wearing woven clothes is the LEAST of their PROBLEMS!

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  8. Businesses have ALWAYS had the right to refuse service to whomever they choose.
    But when it comes to the gay community they will not take no for an answer and will BULLY their way into any situation.
    Just wait until they come for the church.
    THAT is going to be a knock out, drag out blood bath.

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    1. That's not quite true. A business can't refuse service if that refusal is based upon race, color, religion, or national origin, thus the debate regarding including sexual orientation as a protected class too.

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    2. If a BUSINESS decides they don't want your business they can tell you no- they don't have to give you a reason.
      I can't believe we live a time where people are so sensitive and offended all the time.
      If you don't want my money then I won't give it to you.
      Plain and simple.

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  9. But my question is:
    If someone doesn't want your money why make them take it???

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  10. What is the problem? If as a believer, he did not want to make a cake celebrating a lifestyle that is an abomination to God, why is it discrimination? It is true that some in the LGBT community want us to tolerate their beliefs; but will pretty much slam yours. It is your right to live the way you want; but do not bully me to agree with it.

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  11. Ms. Ann, you ask "Since when does my sincere religious beliefs allow me to harm others? " Harm? Over being denied a cake? What about the harm this destructive lifestyle impose upon those involved in it? It's said lesbian couple are way more likely to be more violent towards each other than heterosexuals. Within the gay community, infidelity is rampant. They meet to have sex with strangers in public places. Monogamy is practically unheard of. The spreading of sexually transmitted disease in loose, many choose to have unprotected sex.

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  12. Baptists don't believe the Bible has fairytales. You do. You are not Baptist. You went down a wet devil and came up a fry devil. Homosexuality is an abomination.

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  13. Baptists do not believe the Bible contain "fairy tales". You do. You went down a wet devil and came up a dry devil. Homosexuality is an abomination.

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