Come On Church, Suicide Is Not The Unpardonable Sin!


Reader, will Jesus welcome home a believer who died at his/her own hands? I believe he will, tenderly and lovingly. With that being said, there's some sad news out of Cincinnati, Ohio. My timeline is being flooded with the above picture along with the conversation that folks who commit suicide are hell bound. 


 According to social media, 17-year-old Markeice Brown, who goes by Mari Safari on Facebook, has committed the unpardonable sin suicide just DAYS after his pregnant girlfriend takes her own life. Details surrounding the horrible incident are still developing, but we’ve learned that the family and friends of Mercedes, Brown’s girlfriend, blamed Brown for her suicide with allegations that he contributed to it. He was being harassed and told not to come to her funeral. Apparently, their actions pushed Brown to commit suicide. Along with his last heart-wrenching Facebook post, he posted a video right before the incident.

 What I would like to address in this space is the notion that one who commits suicide is automatically headed to the lake of fire.  Nowhere in scripture is that taught. Yes, suicide is always a tragedy—but in itself, it is not the unpardonable sin. The only sin God cannot pardon is the sin of rejecting his son Jesus Christ.


The Bible does not seem to condemn suicide. There are, I think, six accounts of suicide in the Bible, the most notorious being those of King Saul (1 Samuel 31:2-5) and Judas (Matthew 27:3-5). Others are Abimelech (Judges 9:50-54), Samson (Judges 16:23-31), Ahithophel (2 Samuel 17:23), and Zimri (1 Kings 16:15-20). As far as I can tell, none of the six is explicitly condemned for taking his life.

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  1. Matt 24:13 (with all due respect for the families) They that endure till the end, shall be saved.

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    1. Amen!

      Besides, we should look at the young couple's entire life. Did they live according to the precepts of God? Or were they comfortable living like they are saved and not convicted of sin? The pregnancy shows they were in fornication.

      What would lead a young man to harass a woman pregnant with his child to the point of committing suicide? Why would the young man feel the need to take his own life after his woman and child are gone?

      Could it be that their "Christian" life did not believe in the life that Jesus brought to those who would declare him as their LORD and Savior? (John 10:10).

      Lastly I will talk about the hand signs. The picture on the left are hand signs of the devil's horns. The picture on the right are hand signs of the famous triple 6 and the one eye symbol. Through this the couple showed explicitly to whom they were sold to.

      Back to the question at hand... They were not believers so no, they cannot be pardoned. It was Satan's pleasure to destroy them (John 10:10).

      That's why I repeat myself ad nauseam that it is very very important for those who claim to believe in God to read his WORD for life, preservation, wisdom, knowledge, and understanding (Psalms 19 & 119).

      Moses implored the Israelites to neither turn to the left nor to the right of God's law (Deuteronomy 5:32). Likewise, I implore every believer to keep God's commandments if they want to live.

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    2. Common sense reveals that many, if not most, of us will die with sins of which we have not repented. Are we sure we are not going to hell like the person who commits suicide??

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    3. "There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit." (Romans 8:1)

      This young couple had carnal minds which is enmity with God (Romans Romans 8:7-8). You could read the whole chapter of Romans 8. Verses 26-27 talks of how the Spirit makes intercession for us.

      Reports online reveal that the two didn't care for life (1 John 5:12) and made a pact (Matthew 5:34) to "go out" together.

      We who are here and now have the WORD of God for life, preservation, wisdom, knowledge and understanding (Psalms 19 & 119, Deuteronomy 8:3, Matthew 4:4). We have to purpose to live by it DAILY! (Ecclesiastes 12:13).

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  2. There's absolutely not one thing in the bible suggesting such a thing. I made 2 attempts on my life as a teenager through a nervous breakdown but I went on to successfully overcome depression and now work in the mental health & suicide prevention sector & observe a lot of disturbed, hopeless & substance effected people that are often not in their right mind & suffer greatly.. We do not serve a God that punishes people for being weak!

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  3. Ms Ann, you asked if a Christian commits suicide, is he still forgiven?
    This might seem like a perplexing question, but it does have an answer. Though the Christian who has committed suicide has committed a grave sin, he is still forgiven. But, in order to understand why a Christian who commits suicide is forgiven, we first need to understand what salvation is and what it is based upon.

    Salvation is the state of being saved from God's judgment upon the sinner. The only way to be saved is to trust Jesus for the forgiveness of one's sins (John 14:6, Acts 4:12). All who do not trust Jesus alone by faith (Rom. 5:1; Rom. 6:23; Eph. 2:8-9) are not forgiven and go to Hell when they die (Matt. 25:46; John 3:18). When Jesus forgives someone, He forgives all their sins and gives them eternal life; and they shall never perish (John 10:28). He does not give them temporary eternal life--otherwise, it would not be eternal.

    Salvation is not based upon what you do. In other words, you don't have to obey any Law of God in order to become saved. This is because no one is saved by keeping the Law of God (Gal. 2:21; Rom. 3:24-28). But that does not mean that you can go and sin all you want. Rom. 6:1-3 expressly condemns such action. Instead, we are saved for the purpose of purity (1 Thess. 4:7). Our salvation is strictly from God: "By grace through faith you have been saved . . . " (Eph. 2:8). Other than acting by faith in trusting and accepting what Jesus did on the cross, you don't do a thing (John 1:12-3) in order to become saved. Since you did not get your salvation by what you did, you can not lose it by what you do.

    What about the unforgivable sin? Is that suicide? No. Suicide is not the unforgivable sin. Jesus spoke of the unforgivable sin in Matt. 12:22-32. The context is when the Pharisees accused Jesus of casting out demons by the power of the devil. Therefore, suicide is not the unforgivable sin.

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    1. Sir you nailed that comment!

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    2. Cogic Bishop that is a beautiful, and deep answer. I have had a very hard time when I was a young Christain just how salvation was by faith, and not by works. It is extremely important that we teach young tender Christains the truth pertaining to Grace. I thank Jesus for what he did for me on the cross. I ask for your prayers, and thank you for teaching the church the truth. God bless you.

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    3. @ COGIC,

      I disagree with you regarding "salvation is not based on what you do."

      Jesus declared that if we love him, will keep his commandments (John 14:15).

      Remember, the demons also fear and tremble yet they live in rebellion to God's commandments! (James 2:19).

      It is those who will endure keeping God's commandments to the end that will be saved (Matthew 24:13).

      Brush up on Psalms 19 & 119 sir! And know for sure that it is in keeping the commandments of the LORD that we are saved.

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    4. The Lord is my Shepherd so you disagree oh well. We contribute nothing to our Salvation accept but to receive it, that's all. If it was possible for us to contribute something to salvation then who would get the credit in heaven? If man somehow contributes to his own salvation, it would follow that man himself gets the credit. And if man gets the credit, this certainly will detract from God's getting the credit. If it were possible to contribute something to attain heaven, then each person upon his arrival would be patting himself on the back because of what he did in order to obtain heavenly citizenship. So in other words sinful man cannot contribute to his own salvation.

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    5. @ COGIC,

      If we believe in Jesus Christ, we are bound to keep his commandments. Remember the I never knew you (Matthew 7:21-23) and note the 23rd verse: "ye that work iniquity"; the straight and narrow vs the broad way (Matthew 7:13-14)?

      Take time to read Matthew 5:27-32 and know that Jesus truly did fulfill the law and the prophets (Matthew 5:17-20). He is our example which is being obedient to the commandments of God even unto death (Philippians 2:8).

      Obedience (to God's commandments) is better than sacrifice. And to hearken (to HIS WORD) than the fat of rams (1 Samuel 15:22).

      Our faith in Jesus isn't fun and games. We have to put in work!

      Man gets credit for being a good and faithful servant (Matthew 25:21). Not one who lays back because the work on the cross was done.

      PS - from the garden of Eden, all the devil wants is man to be disobedient to God's commandments (Genesis 3:1). Even Jesus was tempted (but he overcame because he IS the WORD of God made flesh). How about us? If we live like I am ok, I believe but think suicide is acceptable, we fall into the devil's trap. He is seeking whom he may devour (1 Peter 5:8). Don't be such an easy prey! (James 4:7).

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  4. What am I missing here? Is not taking your own life a sin in itself, and taking what God himself designed before God makes the final decision. Isn't that playing God? Doesn't the Christian Bible say sin will never enter the gates of Heaven? I am not talking about the unpardonable sin of Blasphemy of God's Holy Spirit.

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    1. Taking your life is certainly a sin, like any other murder. But Jesus saves us from all sin when we accept Him - our past sin, present sin, and future sin. We are sealed with the Holy Spirit. So if a believer were to sink to a depth as to do something so terrible, Christ's gift on the cross covers that sin, just as it would if you died in the midst of any other sin.

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  5. All I have to say is, don't take a chance on what satan is convincing millions of individuals especially young people to do. This is not the way out because I've heard many testimonies of those who were on the edge of death by their own hands, came back and what they saw was not a pretty picture.

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  6. Revelation 21:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

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  7. Anonymous you beat me to Rev 21:8 that's sure is where I was going to go. Suicide is right there with stealing. They are taking what does not belong to them. For you were bought with a price. Therefore honor God with your body and spirit which are God's. 1 Corinth 6:20.To take one's own life is a slap in God's face. He never said that this life would be a cake walk as many make it seem to be. But he did say to endure til the end and we shall receive a crown of life.

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    1. I have not commented in sometime but I could not let theveryone heresy being stated pass by any longer. The following are SCRIPTURES on judged by deeds so if anyone says we are not judged by what we do please provide direct scripture refuting the following and not your opinion:

      Romans 2:6
      who WILL RENDER TO EACH PERSON ACCORDING TO HIS DEEDS:

      2 Corinthians 5:10
      For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, so that each one may be recompensed for his deeds in the body, according to what he has done, whether good or bad.

      1 Corinthians 4:5
      Therefore do not go on passing judgment before the time, but wait until the Lord comes who will both bring to light the things hidden in the darkness and disclose the motives of men's hearts; and then each man's praise will come to him from God.

      1 Peter 1:17
      If you address as Father the One who impartially judges according to each one's work, conduct yourselves in fear during the time of your stay on earth;

      Revelation 20:12
      And I saw the dead, the great and the small, standing before the throne, and books were opened; and another book was opened, which is the book of life; and the dead were judged from the things which were written in the books, according to their deeds.

      Psalm 62:12
      And lovingkindness is Yours, O Lord, For You recompense a man according to his work.

      Proverbs 24:12
      If you say, "See, we did not know this," Does He not consider it who weighs the hearts? And does He not know it who keeps your soul? And will He not render to man according to his work?

      Colossians 3:25
      For he who does wrong will receive the consequences of the wrong which he has done, and that without partiality.

      Proverbs 11:31
      If the righteous will be rewarded in the earth, How much more the wicked and the sinner

      1 Corinthians 3:8
      Now he who plants and he who waters are one; but each will receive his own reward according to his own

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    2. Hello IRA AYERS! It has been awhile

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    3. Hello timezone! Yes I have been reading and also taking note of the scripture when it says in James 1:19

      “Wherefore, my beloved brethren, let every man be swift to hear, slow to speak, slow to wrath:”

      But when COGIC said "Salvation is not based upon what you do." I felt compelled to respond.

      Thanks timezone I will fade away again until the Lord put something on my heart to say and I keep this in remembrance:

      Matthew 12:36
      36 But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment.

      God be with you!

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  8. As they say in the club...I mean church....Well

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  9. COGIC BISHOP, I DON'T KNOW WHAT COGIC CHURCH YOU BELONG TO. BUT THE ONE I GREW UP IN AND WAS A MEMBER AND A FIFTH GENERATION. TAUGHT THAT IF YOU COMMIT SUICIDE YOU ARE HELL BOUND.AND THEY ARE STILL TEACHING THAT TODAY.

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  10. Oh how about this from yester year, Must Jesus bare the cross alone and all the world go free...No there's a cross for everyone and there's a cross for me. People don't​ want to deal with situations and circumstances. We create our own mess and then want an easy way out. Jesus could have come down off that cross...But I'm so glad he didn't... Hallelujah!

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    1. Yup!

      And we must not forget the verse: "...If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross daily, and follow me." (Luke 9:23).

      @ COGIC,

      I hope you can recognize the three things believers must do.

      1. Deny self
      2. Take up the cross
      3. Follow Jesus

      Salvation is not a free ride after all!

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  11. For Cogic Bishop and Ms. Ann totally respectfully. Cogic Bishop and everyone else who believes that suicide is possibly a doorway to glory. (wow), I can't believe I typed that. You are correct in many of your statements, however suicide is the ultimate denial against what God says, in John 10:10 The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have LIFE, and that they might have it more abundantly. This just doesn't mean after this life, but here within this current dimension we're in now. It is demonic forces controlled by satan himself to cause an individual to do the ultimate. Kill themselves. We do not want to give the impression that if someone sees what we're discussing, especially those on the brink, to think, "hey, I'll wind up in glory if I take my life, whoopeee!!" No, I'm serious. Think about it. If we knew 100% we would goto heaven if we took our lives and there would be no hell to see, I'll be honest, I WOULD HAVE TO HOLLA AT ALL YA'LL, I'M OUTTA HERE, lol. All jokes aside though. We must not give the slightest bit of room to not give anyone that thought. Judas did the ultimate. Not only did he kill himself, but betrayed the savoir of the world. And he went to glory with welcomed arms? smh.. really? Do ya'll really believe that? Peter said about him in Acts 1:16-18: "'Brothers, the Scripture had to be fulfilled which the Holy Spirit spoke long ago through the mouth of David concerning Judas, who served as guide for those who arrested Jesus--he was one of our number and shared in this ministry. With the reward he got for his wickedness, Judas bought a field; there he fell headlong, his body burst open, and all his intestines spilled out." Uh, that doesn't sound too nice. Just saying like I tell atheist, "Don't roll the dice on whether or not you THINK there's a God or not." I say the same thing about suicide and hell.

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    1. OH! And please please, don't get on this foolish kick that Fred Price was saying. He hinted that Jesus himself basically committed suicide for us all!!! Don't even go there like he did.

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    2. I view salvation through the lens of once saved always saved. I never said suicide was a door way to glory let's get that straight. But by the same token neither do I believe it's a door way to hell. The only thing that can caused a soul to be sent to hell is to die with out Christ,bottom line.

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    3. Miss Ann,

      I would be grateful if you shared some scripture on this. Given the fact that Jesus said that in the latter days many would come to him saying LORD, LORD, even as they had healed people in his name (Matthew 7:21-23).

      Refer also to verses that encourage believers:
      1. To renew their mind (Romans 12:2)
      2. To NOT be deceived (for if we sow to the flesh, of the flesh we shall reap!) (Galatians 6:7-9).
      3. To put on the whole armor of God (Ephesians 6:11-18)
      4. To know that our duty is to fear God and keep his commandments (Ecclesiastes 12:13)

      Let us not be like those who profess to know God; but in works deny him (like this young couple) - being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work, reprobate (Titus 1:16). For faith without works is dead (James 2:14-26).

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    4. Ms.Ann I believed the same as you. When Jesus talks of the unforgivable sin being to sin against the Holy Spirit- i.e. to sin in a way that your attitude is against God and thus sinning with an unrepentant attitude- that causes any unbeliever to go to hell. This is kind of like suicide anyway. It's to live a life- but not according to the Spirit.
      Like Paul mentions, it's not about works or the law but by faith and trust in God's sovereign grace.
      I think that suicide is sinful but has no more impact on salvation than the Christian who is saved but tells a lie the second before they accidentally die in a car crash. Scripture suggests that God judges the heart, the life that we have led and the most important thing in play is always Christ's atonement, not the final action of a human being.
      Look at it this way- I believe that God doesn't send people to hell- rather it's their sinful nature caused by themselves that sends them to hell- so isn't that more like suicide than anything else? It seems to me that the problem isn't our definition of sin- rather our definition of suicide.

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  12. Ms. Ann, what would you consider as having Christ? Many are like Thomas who believe because he saw. Many are saying they are Christians because they attend the weekly meeting place. But is that what make them a Christian?

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  13. The bible says in Exodus 20:13 Thy shalt not kill: that means anyone including yourself. Suicide is taking your life in your hands and playing God. God is the one who says i kill and make alive; not us. Suicide is a trick by satan to get us to go against God and violate the word. God is not please when someone gives up and kills themselves for whatevet reason. Because He knows how much He had invested into each person, each life is precious to God and had a purposr for them to fulfill. He is never satisfied to see us quit life. Today suicide is glorified in society due to celebrities taking their lives. As believers we must stress that God not alcohol pills success or relationships can transforn or healed person. God is the god of all comfort: He sent His Son Jesus to show the world you must rely on me and not yourselves. We were never intended to live without God!!!. When life gets hard we look fir a way out but suicide is not it!!!
    This is a way destroy Gods purpose of populating the earth. The devil is pleased when we believes his lies that I cant make it without this person, that job, those friends, etc. Please pray for our nations: we are being destroyed by a great enemy: self. Imsorry for the family and there lost: we pray for them.

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  14. A believer is eternally secured regardless of the degree of sin/s he commits. However, the Lord promises rewards and reigning with Him to those who are obedient and will endure, persevere until the end.

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    1. You can not continue to willfully live in sin and say you are saved. GOD is holy. He has requirements.


      Matthew 24:13

      13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.





      Dani

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  15. Betty Sue Woods:Tuesday, 25 April, 2017

    Hey everybody, these are obviously difficult and challenging questions that the Bible simply does not directly address. But this one thing is certain: Although suicide is most assuredly a serious sin that violates God’s expressed will concerning the sanctity of life, there is no evidence to conclude that it is a sin beyond the reach of the forgiveness obtained for us at the cross of Christ. In other words: no, suicide is not the unpardonable sin.

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    1. If suicide isn't the unpardonable sin...Then neither is murder, adultery, stealing, idolatry! Because my Bible teaches that anyone who dies in their sins goes to hell!!

      If suicide gets a free pass, then NOBODY should be in hell right now (except for demons)!!

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  16. To ALL (who are reading this blog) note Paul's warning and let us cease to be ignorant of the WORD of God:

    "For if we sin willfully after we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, But a certain fearful looking for of judgement and fiery indignation which shall devour the adversaries. He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses; Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden underfoot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?" (Hebrews 10:26-29).

    Please read the whole chapter for understanding!

    Believers BE VERY WARE!!!

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  17. Everyone who hates (works against) his brother [in Christ] is [at heart] a murderer [by God’s standards]; and you know that no murderer has eternal life abiding in him.
    1 JOHN 3:15 AMP

    If merely hating your brother is murder, then wouldn't killing yourself also be classified as murder and what did John say at the end of the verse "no murderer has eternal life abiding in him."

    He who has ears let him hear what the scripture saith.

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  18. Mrs. Ann, I am in agreement with your statement. I am so thankful that GOD has a mind of HIS own. Whatever your thoughts are, they really don't matter. The matter is between the person and GOD. Mental illness and depression is REAL!! Most lack compassion until it hits their home and family. None of us are so righteous, holy, biblically astute, or anything else that we don't require mercy on a daily basis.
    No one is sinless, I don't care how much scripture you read, quote, understand, etc. Leave people alone and let GOD do HIS job!! We often wonder why the churches are empty? The scripture police will run you out the church. Our job is to teach the word and pray for one another. We are not the Holy Spirit!! Pray and let HIM do HIS job!! We don't have the power to change anyone, that's GOD'S JOB!!

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    1. When it comes to mental illness and depression, I somewhat agree with your statements, however we're in a world in which the enemy satan controls and wants to kill and destroy by any means. Suicide is actually becoming cool with youngsters (unreal) and yes we must pray and be a witness to inform them that there may just possibly be something not to pretty on the other side. Oh and this once saved always saved stuff is way off.. sorry. Because in Romans 6:1 says What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound? So in other words I'm not down with this idea of getting saved and that's a ticket to heaven with no matter what one does.

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  19. Like I've saved time and time again...I refuse to believe that God has backed Himself into a corner where He have to put up with people and their mess because that's exactly what this once saved always saved would imply.

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    1. True!

      For those who think that God has a mind of his own, please back it up with SERIOUS scripture! (Philippians 2).

      Many times the WORD of God is declared as life by which we must live (Deuteronomy 8:3 & Matthew 4:4, Psalm 19, Psalm 119). Y'all better have the WORD of God embedded in your hearts that you might NOT sin against him (Psalm 119:11). Remember it is important that we do NOT take God's grace for granted (2 Corinthians 6); for it is by HIS mercies that we are NOT consumed (Lamentations 3:22-23).

      So if anyone out there thinks that a pretty face and a good storyline will get you past judgement day; you better stop:
      1. Paying attention to fables (Titus 1:14)
      2. Being foolish (Galatians 3)
      4. Entertaining vain thoughts (Psalm 119:113-120) and imaginations (2 Corinthians 10:5)

      Otherwise you might not have a place of refuge in the day of visitation (Isaiah 10:3).

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  20. You can't make this up..smh.... https://www.yahoo.com/beauty/parents-need-know-blue-whale-challenge-204459793.html

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    1. @ Timezone,

      True!

      "The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly." (John 10:10)

      Unfortunately, social media has led many young minds into thinking that the more "likes" and "follows" one has, the more important they are and therefore feel validated. So when a stupid challenge like this "blue whale" comes along, the need to feel like they belong is increased. And they become prey for the evil one.

      Remember the person who started the "ice bucket" challenge (or whatever they called it back then)? I heard he committed suicide. So many people were part of this STUPID ritual. These ranged from Donatella Versace to TD Jakes. None of them had the sense to not be a part of such foolishness!

      "That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by sleight of men, cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive" (Ephesians 4:14).

      The whole chapter should be read for better understanding.

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  21. Y'all are ALL wrong except for the very few who said once saved always saved. You CANNOT lose your salvation. You are NOT saved by works least any man shall boast. We are saved by FAITH through GRACE. There is nothing we can do or add to salvation Jesus said it is finished the debt on sin was PAID IN FULL. Yes we will have works as EVIDENCE of our Faith but out works alone are but filthy rags. If you are trusting on them and the commandments for salvation you will be in HELL along w everyone else who "tried" to do the best and be a good person. The commandments were given to show that we could NEVER keep it to show we are SINNERS in need of s saviour. Works do not and have never saved anyone at anytime ever in scripture or in the present nor in the future... It's all by the blood of Jesus Christ. All those verses y'all shared about works is the FRUIT not the tree. If someone is saved you will KNOW from their works but their works don't save them Jesus does. Lastly the bring this point home one more time a person CANNOT lose their salvation once saved. Jesus called it a birth. Question can someone make themselves unborn? Obviously the answer is no. Once you are born you are born. The rest of your life is about maturing. Same thing with being born spiritually. Once you are born again made new you cannot become unborn. What happens once you are born of the spirit is that you mature slowly but surely baby steps first then you wall then you run. We need milk first before the meat. So yes works are important but they don't save you they are just evidence of Christians who have been saved.

    -Big Chris

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  22. This topic is just honestly a trap from the devil. Because Christians will not agree on it. Which causes arguments.

    So this is what I have decided. Since there is no scripture that supports someone going to hell I stand on the word.

    The word says only one sin will send you to hell...

    That's denying Christ.

    And don't tell me sinning is denying Christ because we all sin and unless you plan on being sinless you you take your last breath your going to hell too.

    But that's why God sent Jesus. So we can all be saved.

    I do believe there is healing.

    But Just like Jesus came to give us life and give it abundantly.

    The devil is out to steal kill and destroy.

    We all have weaknesses.

    Some deal with them better than others.

    But for me to sit here and say so high and mighty someone is in hell because they did that would mean I need to judge myself according to word.

    Which makes me a awful person too.

    Let's do this...

    It will save us the headache and the looking bad of Christians arguing with one a other over scripture which to is against Gods word...

    Let's just say, we never know what God can do in someone's last moments on earth. He is a big God. So I can't say who will make It to heaven or hell. It's not my place to judge that. We have a judge already. I'm just going to pray for all involved and love them.

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