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Listen Church Suicide Is NOT The 'Unforgivable Sin'!


Reader the following article have many on my timeline in a tizzy "Do people who commit suicide go to Hell? Is it a sin?

I have always believed once saved always saved unless you do the unforgiven sin which is deny God. People have called me out for my position and I'm glad I found that I'm not alone in my belief. People who suffer with mental illness can be saved and I believe that with my whole heart. You may not agree and I'm ok with that because you have to believe what you believe but allow me to believe what I do. No judgment needed here or there. Suicide is not the unforgivable sin.

I know there are some Catholics and some others who say that death with unconfessed sin of any kind hinders entrance to heaven.... There is not much Bible to support such a view... The Bible pretty convincingly paints a picture of entrance into heaven predicated upon faith in Jesus and He alone.... The addition of anything we do becomes a type of "works" based faith which seems to be denied by the Bible... Ephesians 2:8-9.  If salvation is contingent on perfection and works at the moment of death, then not only is suicide unforgiven, but the rest of us are also are doomed.

What's your thoughts?

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  1. Hi Ms. Ann. Ok, I definitely understand where you're coming from on the mental illness thing, but you opened up so many other variables. In your first opening statement, "I have always believed once saved always saved unless you do the unforgiven sin which is deny God." Denying God, yes, blasphemy. And you must add if you never forgive; Mark 11:26 - But if ye do not forgive, neither will your Father which is in heaven forgive your trespasses. Now if you believe the once saved always saved term, hmmm. Trying to find that in scripture. That's that Carlton Pearson talk where in his church he has mural of Adolf Hitler, basically saying this is how merciful Jesus is. He believes Hitler went to heaven because Mr. Adolf actually did profess Christ at one point. lol. So I guess he's in glory huh? haha. Matt 7:13-14 Enter through the narrow gate; for the gate is wide and the way is broad that leads to destruction, and there are many who enter through it. 14"For the gate is small and the way is narrow that leads to life, and there are few who find it. So with that said, I'm not going to go with the once saved thing. I believe there's such thing as backsliding. I'm not gonna go and play out on my wife and cheat. Hang out at the club and play keyboards there, lol. and be at church the next morning talking about "Praise the Lord"!! lol. Noway. I'm not taking that chance. Some will take the once saved always saved talk and use that to no end. As far as suicide is concerned. I've watched alot of the documentaries on people who actually attempted suicide and forreal died. Uh, there testimonies are pretty terrifying. I know I know.. the scientist and skeptics will say they were having a bad nightmare, lol. It's amazing how they can talk so big and they've never died. Anyway, be quick to repent. And trust me, I'm talking to myself too. God bless.

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    1. Great commentary.

      The hard part about this is there is only ONE sure fire way to find out about eternal life after suicide.

      And I don't think anybody wants to gamble with their eternal salvation

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    2. Timezone once a person has accepted Jesus Christ as Savior, he/she is forever saved.In John 10:28-30, Jesus says: “I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one can snatch them out of my hand. My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all; no one can snatch them out of my Father's hand. I and the Father are one." The forgiveness of God through Christ is sufficient to cover all of our sins -- past, present, and future. There is nothing a person can do that God cannot forgive. This is supported by Romans 8:38-39, Ephesians 4:30, and Jude 24; among others. A Christian who commits suicide is not lost. You mention Carlton Pearson and his beliefs, Carlton Pearson believes in salvation for "everyone" that's not what I believe.

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    3. Your interpretation of John 10:28-30 is completely flawed. In the same chapter, Jesus said in verse 27, right before 28, he says "My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me". Following Christ means you follow his commandments, which is to abstain from sin. True, there is nothing a person can do that God cannot forgive. True, no one can snatch them out of God's hand, but YOU CAN WALK OUT. Choosing to follow after sin instead of the voice of the Shepherd is not allowed. "What shall we say then, shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound, God forbid." The scripture clearly disputes the "once saved, always saved". Romans 6:1. "Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off." Romans 11:22. "Take heed unto thyself, and unto the doctrine; continue in them: for in doing this thou shalt both save thyself, and them that hear thee." 1 Timothy 4:16. "But whoso looketh into the perfect law of liberty, and continueth therein, he being not a forgetful hearer, but a doer of the work, this man shall be blessed in his deed." James 1:25. I could go on and on.

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    4. Your interpretation of John 10:28-30 is completely flawed. In the same chapter, Jesus said in verse 27, right before 28, he says "My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me". Following Christ means you follow his commandments, which is to abstain from sin. True, there is nothing a person can do that God cannot forgive. True, no one can snatch them out of God's hand, but YOU CAN WALK OUT. Choosing to follow after sin instead of the voice of the Shepherd is not allowed. "What shall we say then, shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound, God forbid." The scripture clearly disputes the "once saved, always saved". Romans 6:1. "Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off." Romans 11:22. "Take heed unto thyself, and unto the doctrine; continue in them: for in doing this thou shalt both save thyself, and them that hear thee." 1 Timothy 4:16. "But whoso looketh into the perfect law of liberty, and continueth therein, he being not a forgetful hearer, but a doer of the work, this man shall be blessed in his deed." James 1:25. I could go on and on.

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    5. I don't think so, I got it right.

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  2. This is a difficult question to truly answer one way or the other.

    If we say that suicide is unforgivable, we are denying what the Bible says about the saving grace of Christ.

    “I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; NO ONE will snatch them out of my hand.”
    ‭‭John‬ ‭10:28‬ ‭NIV‬‬

    I think the "No one" includes ourselves.

    “For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.”
    ‭‭John‬ ‭3:16‬ ‭NIV‬‬

    So WHOEVER BELIEVES!!!
    I have never found any scripture that states "except for suicides".

    HOWEVER
    If you tell people (especially people with mental illness, or depression) that suicide doesn't stop you from being with God in heaven.
    We run the risk of giving them the impression that suicide is a viable option for a Christian escape for the troubles of this world.

    This is and extremely sensitive subject to people suffering from depression or mental illness.
    So if you're going to discuss the subject of suicide with someone who has even considered suicide as an option, I suggest you seek some counseling,

    And I am Not talking about your local Apostle who waves around his honorary Doctorate PRETENDING he actually worked for that title.

    I talking an ACTUAL LICENSED PROFESSIONAL COUNSELOR.

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    1. Cop, I loved the statement you made, "We run the risk of giving them the impression that suicide is a viable option for a Christian escape for the troubles of this world." Ok, let me say this. Suicide can be looked at as if it were "self inflicted murder" upon yourself. Well murderers have been forgiven throughout all the Bible. David, my goodness... PAUL, but they confessed to the Lord of Lords while they were alive. Suicide, well the deed has been done. I've witnessed one funeral where the person committed suicide and let me tell ya, it was truly a funeral and it didn't feel like a homegoing services. Sorry. However I must admit that this subject is somewhat difficult. Especially with suicide due to a chemical imbalance in the brain like for example what we've heard as of late with NFL players due to CTE. Let me finish by saying, Judas took himself out by hanging. He betrayed THE MAN HIMSELF. JESUS... smh. He walked with Jesus, talked with him, did he make it in? Personally I think it was over for him right then and there. Ms.Ann, Cop, Anonymous and everyone else, I guess we'll find out in glory together. Pray for healing for all who are dealing with devastating issues in their life where they feel suicide is the answer.

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  3. Sorry one more thing. lol. The following link is probably the most impressive I've seen. I don't think this dude is faking. He attempted suicide. This is good stuff. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wT2YlZORFFI

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  4. The Bible teaches that there are conditions a person must meet in order to receive forgiveness and become a child of God. Likewise there are conditions one must meet to continue faithful after becoming a child of God. Many passages warn us to be careful to meet these conditions else we will not receive eternal life. In each case we will note first that the passage is addressed to children of God. Then we will note that we are warned to avoid sin or we will be lost.

    John 15:1-6 - We must bear fruit or be cast off.
    Disciples are described as branches "in Christ" (v2,5, etc.) who have been cleansed by His word (v3).
    But if they don't bear fruit and abide in Christ (v2,4-6), they will be taken away (v2), cast into the fire and burned (v6). (Abiding in Jesus and bearing fruit requires obedience - I John 3:6,24; John 15:10; Gal. 5:19ff; etc.)

    Romans 8:12-17 - We must live according to the Spirit, not the flesh.
    This is addressed to children of God (v16).
    We are warned not to live according to the deeds of the flesh but be led by the Spirit. If we live according to the flesh, we will die (v13). This cannot be physical death since we all die physically regardless of how we live. This death is the opposite of the life we receive if we follow the Spirit.
    To be heirs of Christ, we must be led of the Spirit (v14) and suffer with Christ (v17). It is conditional and depends on our life.

    Galatians 6:7-9 - We must sow to the Spirit, not the flesh.
    This is addressed to members of the church (1:2), sons of God by faith (3:26). [Cf. 4:6]
    We will reap as we sow. If we sow to the spirit (i.e., if we produce the fruit of the Spirit - 5:22-25), we will reap eternal life (v8). If we sow to the flesh (do the works of the flesh - 5:19-21), we reap corruption (6:8), which is the opposite of eternal life. In this case, we cannot inherit the kingdom of God (5:21).
    We reap eternal life if we don't grow weary in doing good (v9). Note: "Be not deceived." Yet "once saved, always saved" is a doctrine that deceives many into thinking they will still reap eternal life even if they sow to the flesh.

    1 Corinthians 9:27 & 10:12 - We must control our bodies and avoid sinning like Israel did.
    9:25-27 - Paul, who was an apostle and therefore a child of God, was striving to gain the imperishable crown (v25). He had to discipline his body and bring it into subjection lest he himself be disqualified (NKJV; "a castaway" - KJV; "rejected" - ASV). (KJV elsewhere translates this word "reprobate" - 2 Cor. 13:5; Rom. 1:28; 2 Tim. 3:8; Tit. 1:16).
    10:1-12 - Israel is an example showing us the importance of avoiding sin. The people to whom this warning applies ("we," "us") include the church, sanctified saints (1:2; cf. 1:9), and the apostle Paul.
    This is an example and admonition to us (v6,11). We should not lust after evil (v6), commit idolatry (v7), commit fornication (v8), etc. One who thinks he stands, must take heed lest he fall (v12). In context, this means he will not receive the crown Paul described (9:25-27). 6:9,10 show that people guilty of these sins won't receive the kingdom of God.
    Note that a person who believes in "once saved, always saved" thinks he cannot fall. This passage is addressed to just such people and shows that they are the ones in the very greatest danger that they will fall!

    Hebrews 3:6,11-14; 4:9,11 - We must avoid rebelling like Israel.
    This is addressed to "holy brethren, partakers of the heavenly calling" (v1).
    Israel failed to enter God's rest because they lacked faith and obedience. We too must guard lest we have an evil heart of unbelief, departing from God (v12), and become hardened through the deceitfulness of sin (v13).
    To partake with Christ, we must hold fast our confidence (faith) firm to the end (3:6,14). If we do so depart, we will not enter the rest God has for us (4:9,11). Note that receiving the eternal reward is conditional on continued faithfulness.

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  5. Hebrews 10:26-31,39 - We must avoid willful sin.
    This is speaking to those who know the truth (v26) and have been sanctified by the blood (v29). It is discussing the Lord's judgment on "His people" (v30).
    We are warned not to sin willfully (v26). As long as we go on sinning willfully (NASB - v26), there is no sacrifice for sin. (This is not discussing what will happen if such people repent and change but what our condition is as long as this conduct continues.)
    Such people are trodding underfoot God's Son (v29), doing despite to the Spirit of grace, counting the blood by which we were sanctified unholy (v29). Their only future is fierceness of fire (v27), sorer punishment than physical death under the law (v28f), vengeance from God (v30).
    This is why we must not shrink back to perdition (v39).

    2 Peter 1:8-11; 2:20-22 - We must grow in Christ instead of returning to the world.
    1:8-11 - This is spoken to those who have obtained like precious faith (v1), escaped the corruption of the world (v4), and been purged from old sins (v9).
    We must add to our lives the qualities listed (v5-7). If we do, we make our calling and election sure so we don't stumble (v10), but we receive the abundant entrance to the everlasting kingdom (v11). Note there is security for the believer, but it is conditional on growing and adding these qualities.
    2:20-22 - This is still talking to people who have escaped the pollution of the world (v20), knowing the way of righteousness (v21). [cf. v1,15]
    We are warned not to become entangled again in the world (v20), turning from the holy command (v21). If we do, we are worse off than we were before we knew the truth (v20). We are like a dog returning to vomit or a sow returning to mire (v22). [cf., v1,3]
    But if "once saved, always saved," then this dog is much better off after returning to the vomit than he was before.

    Romans 6:12-18 - We must not let sin reign in our bodies.
    These were baptized into Christ (v3,4), set free from sin, and become servants of righteousness (v18).
    They are warned not to let sin reign in their bodies nor present their members as instruments of sin (v12,13). The result of that would be death (v16). This must be spiritual again, since all die physically. The wages of sin, even for those here addressed, is death, in contrast to eternal life (v23).

    Hebrews 6:4-8 - We must avoid falling away.
    This is addressed to those once enlightened, who tasted the heavenly gift and the good word of God and were partakers of the Holy Spirit (v4,5).
    We are warned not to fall away (v6). If they continue in this pattern of life (implied), they cannot be restored. They are crucifying Jesus afresh and putting Him to an open shame (v6). Their destiny is to be burned like a field of thorns (v8).
    Revelation 3:5; Exodus 32:30-33 - We must avoid having our names removed from the Book of Life.
    Those whose names are in the book of Life will enter the eternal city, but those not in it are cast into the lake of fire (Rev. 21:27; 20:12-15). But people whose names are in the book, may be removed because of sin (Ex. 32:30-33). Those guilty of sin CANNOT enter the city (Rev. 21:27). But those who overcome will not be blotted out of the book (Rev. 3:5). [Cf. Rev. 22:18,19]
    Why would God continually warn of the danger of sin and being lost if it cannot happen? Do human parents warn their children to be careful how they flap their wings lest they fly too high and crash into the moon? God is not the author of confusion (I Cor. 14:33). Why waste time warning us about dangers that cannot happen anyway?

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  6. Folks are sometimes confused by passages that are used to defend "once saved, always saved." We need to understand the arguments and how to answer them. Some of these passages do offer hope and security to believers, but they are conditional passages, and these conditions are often overlooked. If we study the verses in light of what we have already learned we will see that, while they do give security to those who are faithful, they do not teach unconditional "once saved, always saved."

    John 10:28,29 - "They shall never perish … no one shall snatch them out of my hand"
    This is a wonderful promise. But is it, as the preacher said, so unconditional that a person's soul cannot be lost no matter how he lives?
    The context gives conditions - v27,28.
    Note the word "and" repeated. Receiving life and never perishing are tied to hearing Jesus and following him. These are conditions, exactly like we have been teaching.
    As the Good Shepherd, Jesus protects His sheep so no one can destroy them, as long as the sheep hear Jesus and follow Him. But what if they cease to hear and follow, as we have learned elsewhere they can do?
    "Pluck" refers to an outside force.
    "Pluck" (KJV) or "snatch" (NKJV, ASV) means "to seize, carry off by force" (Thayer), like the thief might do (v10,12). Neither Satan nor any outside force can steal you from the Lord, as long as you meet the conditions.
    But we must "resist the devil," and then we have assurance he will flee from us (James 4:7). What happens if, through negligence or willful rebellion, we wander away from the protection of Jesus' fold?

    Sheep can stray from the shepherd's protection.
    Luke 15:3-7 - 100 sheep belonged to the shepherd (v4,6), but one became lost.
    Acts 20:28-30 - Wolves may enter among the flock, speak perverse things, and draw away the disciples. They cannot compel us to follow them and be lost. We may still choose to follow the Lord's voice. But false teachers can lure us, attract us, and tempt us.

    I Peter 5:8,9 - Satan is a roaring lion seeking to devour us. If we do not withstand him, he can capture and destroy us. But we can withstand him if we have faith and vigilance. This is what Jesus promised in John 10. (John 17; 6:37-40; I Pet. 2:25).
    If sheep cannot possibly stray, even of their own free will, then this would deny our free moral power to choose. We could not become lost even if we wanted to!

    1 John 3:9 - One begotten of God "does not sin … he cannot sin"
    We must take all the Bible says on any subject (Matt. 4:6,7; Acts 3:22,23).
    We have already shown many passages showing that it is possible for a child of God to sin. Many more verses, even in 1 John and addressed to these same people, show this is true:
    1 John 1:8,10 - If we say we don't sin, we lie and truth is not in us. This is exactly the condition of some folks who argue for "once saved, always saved"!
    1 John 2:1,2 - John wrote so we would avoid sin. Jesus is our propitiation if we do sin. If sin is impossible, why write, and why would we need propitiation?
    1 John 2:15-17 - Love not the world. If we do, we don't love the Father (cf. I Cor. 16:22). Why warn us, if it is impossible to be guilty?
    1 John 5:21 - Guard yourself from idols. Why, if it is impossible to be guilty of sin?
    2 Peter 2:14 - Some children of God (v1,15) "cannot cease from sin"! If I John 3:9 means children of God cannot possibly commit sin, then this passage means these children of God cannot possibly quit sinning!
    Clearly 1 John 3:9 does not mean sin is impossible, else we have contradictions in the Bible. In fact, many people who believe "once saved, always saved," will admit sin is possible (see quotes in introduction).

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  7. "Does not sin" refers to persisting in the practice of sin (see NASB).
    A true child of God may occasionally commit acts of sin, but he must repent, confess, and be forgiven by Jesus' blood (1:9; 2:2). He must not continue in the practice of sin. Why not?
    "God's seed abides" in the child of God.
    The seed that begets us, so we become children of God, is the word of God:
    1 Peter 1:23-25 - We are begotten again by the incorruptible seed which is the Word of God.
    James 1:18 - We are begotten by the word of truth.
    1 John 2:14,24 - The word of God, which we heard, abides in us. [Luke 8:11ff; I Cor. 4:15; I John 1:10; 2:5,7]
    How does the this seed abide in us? Can it cease abiding in us?
    1 John 1:10 - If we say we do not sin, His word is not in us. We may still know what it says, but we have rejected it.
    John 5:38 - If we do not believe Jesus, God's word does not abide in us.
    Acts 2:41 - Those who gladly received the word were baptized. Receiving the word requires believing and obeying it. Otherwise we are rejecting it. (I Thess. 2:13)
    To have the word abiding in us means to have a receptive attitude toward it, believing and obeying it, applying it in our lives. If this is our attitude, 1 John 3:9 says we will not continue in the practice of sin. Of course not, because to do so would be to reject the word so it no longer abides in us!
    Note Psalms 119:11 - Your word I have hidden in my heart, That I might not sin against You! This is exactly what 1 John 3:9 says.
    But can we cease believing the word, studying it, and striving to live by it? We have shown that we can. If we do, the seed no longer abides in us, so we practice sin.
    "He cannot sin"
    Does this mean it is humanly impossible under any circumstances to transgress?
    "Can" (Gk DUNAMAI) means: "to be able, have power, whether by virtue of one's own ability and resources, or of state of mind, or through favorable circumstances, or by permission of law and custom" (Thayer).
    Examples elsewhere show it does not necessarily mean physical or human impossibility, but rather that law, state of mind, or circumstances do not allow it:
    1 Corinthians 10:21 - You cannot drink the cup of the Lord and the cup of demons (it is not lawful).
    Acts 4:20 - We cannot but speak the things we have seen and heard (law and state of mind do not permit it).
    Mark 2:19 - Sons of the bridechamber cannot fast while the bridegroom is with them (circumstances make it such that no one would do it).
    Hence 1 John 3:9 means that, when one has accepted God's word into his heart and so becomes a child of God, his attitude and the principles of the word will not allow him to continue practicing sin. God's word (the seed) has become the guiding principle of his heart, and it would be inconsistent with this to continue practicing sin.
    For example, suppose an employer asks a Christian employee to tell a lie. The Christian replies, "I can't do a thing like that." Is it physically impossible? No, but it is completely contrary to his nature as a child of God. As long as his attitude toward God's word is right, he will not do it.

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  8. Regarding Suicide:
    1 Corinthians 3:16-17King James Version (KJV)
    16 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you? 17 If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are.

    1 Corinthians 3:16-17New Living Translation (NLT)
    16 Don’t you realize that all of you together are the temple of God and that the Spirit of God lives in[a] you? 17 God will destroy anyone who destroys this temple. For God’s temple is holy, and you are that temple.

    1 Corinthians 3:16-17New Living Translation (NLT)
    16 Don’t you realize that all of you together are the temple of God and that the Spirit of God lives in[a] you? 17 God will destroy anyone who destroys this temple. For God’s temple is holy, and you are that temple.

    1 Corinthians 3:16-17New King James Version (NKJV)
    16 Do you not know that you are the temple of God and that the Spirit of God dwells in you? 17 If anyone defiles the temple of God, God will destroy him. For the temple of God is holy, which temple you are.

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  9. Ezekiel 18:24 Lets you know a righteous man can change and will be dealt with as if he never lived righteously.
    Romans 6:1-2.Another example.
    Holiness without ,no man shall see the Lord. How can you ckaim holiness if the last act you perform is willful sin? Not to mention,how can you repent?
    When you willfully commit sin,there remaineth no repentance. You CHOOSE...man's route ,that makes you feel safe and requires little discipline or what the Bible says,that requires true discipline and convicts you. The Word does not leave us guessing. It's a hard pill to think about loved ones who made that choice. I set before you life and death....choices.
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  10. Btw..Great breakdown Anonymous.

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  11. Btw..Great breakdown Anonymous.

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  12. Ezekiel 18:24 Lets you know a righteous man can change and will be dealt with as if he never lived righteously.
    Romans 6:1-2.Another example.
    Holiness without ,no man shall see the Lord. How can you ckaim holiness if the last act you perform is willful sin? Not to mention,how can you repent?
    When you willfully commit sin,there remaineth no repentance. You CHOOSE...man's route ,that makes you feel safe and requires little discipline or what the Bible says,that requires true discipline and convicts you. The Word does not leave us guessing. It's a hard pill to think about loved ones who made that choice. I set before you life and death....choices.
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  13. “My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me. I give them eternal life, and they will never perish, and no one will snatch them out of my hand. My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all, and no one is able to snatch them out of the Father’s hand” – John 10:27-29 (ESV).

    In my humble opinion, no passage of Scripture gives the believer more assurance and security than this one. We find here an unconditional statement from Christ himself that those who belong to him are his forever. This is true because we see they are in the Father’s hand and under His protection and care. It is the power of God the Father that provides the guarantee of the believer’s safety and security. Case closed!

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  14. Case not closed:John 8:31King James Version (KJV)

    31 Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed;

    To continue is to remain, abide or stay. The word "if" is conditional so there is a consequence "if not" has a condition also. Why do you call me Lord, Lord and do not the things I say.

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