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Wednesday, March 9, 2011

"Is Gandhi in Heaven or Hell?"

 The noise online surrounding  Pastor Rob Bell kinda  remind  me of a similar incident  years ago within the African-America faith community.....I can only think,conceive, guess imagine what would have happen to Bishop Carlton Pearson  if Twitter had been around when he embraced Universalism....Since Twitter wasn't around  the church and Bishop Carlton Pearson got together and discussed his views...Only after giving the Bishop a chance to explain his views is when the church took action.

Rob Bell is the pastor of over 15,000 souls mostly young people at Mars Hill church in Michigan.....Mr.Bell have written a new book "Love Wins"  A book About Heaven, Hell, and the fate of every person who ever lived......The new book will be in stores March 29th.....Any how, last week some Christan's took to Twitter to tweet about the new book and how Mr. Bell might be making a dangerous move into Universalism....Grant-it no one has read the entire book yet.....But if you watch the  promotional video for the book....It seems very clear that he might have joined the ranks of former evangelical Carlton Pearson who embraces universalism. Supposedly in the book Mr. Bell addresses one of the most controversial issues of faith - the afterlife - arguing that a loving God would never sentence human souls to eternal suffering......When I read or here a statement like that it always causes me to cringe....Its as if God just send people to HELL....The truth of the matter whether a person Gandhi is good or bad..... Any soul that leave this earth without Christ is doom to spend eternity lost.

The teaching that there is no hell, and that everyone gets redeemed is not in accordance with the Bible....Hell will be created for Satan and his angels....Scripture is very clear about that.....Hell was not created for man....But if man is so bent on rejecting God's Son The Christ, then they will not be with Him.....Now I don't agree with every thing anyone preaches not even my own pastor....But what I'm saying  lets not label Mr. Bell until he explain his view...We have to remember that this young pastor  teachings is used by main stream evangelical churches in their youth and college groups.Church Announcement Here!


  1. the reason Satan fell...has always been said to have been "pride". However, Scripturally speaking other than the new testament we don't have much information on our "accuser" the devil (at least not directly) from what he did to Jesus we know he tempts people, we know he apparently tries to get them to focus on what they can have or be or do...for example, eve in the garden of eden was tempted when the serpent said she would be like a god if she ate the fruit of the tree and when satan was tempting Jesus he tempted him by saying “If you are the Son of God, tell these stones to become bread.” “If you are the Son of God,” he said, “throw yourself down. For it is written: “‘He will command his angels concerning you, and they will lift you up in their hands, so that you will not strike your foot against a stone.’” “All this I will give you,” he said, “if you will bow down and worship me.” If you read Jesus' responses, “It is written: ‘Man shall not live on bread alone, but on every word that comes from the mouth of God.’” “It is also written: ‘Do not put the Lord your God to the test.’” “Away from me, Satan! For it is written: ‘Worship the Lord your God, and serve him only.’” you might see that it was actually necessary for us to see how to respond to Satan...when He says things like "if you are then" do this or that to Jesus...but the problem is that satan goes too far...with God...he tries to get Jesus to do what he wants him to do...or to prove himself to him...or to even worship him. of course Jesus corrects him and reminds him that even he (satan) is supposed to worship and serve the Lord God only. to me it seems like he thinks he has the right or should be allowed to tell God what to do and make him conform to his will instead of God's own will...very bossy very proud...and it makes sense to me now that he is called are accuser (the accuser of the brethren) because he likes to destroy and he is a liar...and if he could have gotten God on his side...he could destroy us all or at least in his mind he could have...because he doesn't seem to have a problem "knowing" scripture...he doesn't seem to have a problem with rules and regulations (the Pharisees were called the children of satan), as a matter of fact it almost seems like he wanted to use that in order to have an excuse to keep on destroying people. like the child molester who will agree with you on how wrong child molestation is...if it means he gets to pull the trigger on the guy you are trying to condemn.
    do with that what you will...if it doesn't make sense ask me and i will ty to explain what i mean...

  2. But there are some things i have read lately in Isaiah that make me think that satan was built by God to be a "rod of iron"...but instead possibly became or was proud by nature and instead of being of use to God actually decided that he wanted to rule over everything God made and even God himself as if he is some lines from Isaiah that speak of an evil king and we know that often times we can see the fruit of satan in the lives of evil kings...please read this...Isaiah 10:5 “Woe to the Assyrian, the rod of my anger,
    in whose hand is the club of my wrath!
    6 I send him against a godless nation,
    I dispatch him against a people who anger me,
    to seize loot and snatch plunder,
    and to trample them down like mud in the streets.
    7 But this is not what he intends,
    this is not what he has in mind;
    his purpose is to destroy,
    to put an end to many nations.
    8 ‘Are not my commanders all kings?’ he says.
    9 ‘Has not Kalno fared like Carchemish?
    Is not Hamath like Arpad,
    and Samaria like Damascus?
    10 As my hand seized the kingdoms of the idols,
    kingdoms whose images excelled those of Jerusalem and Samaria—
    11 shall I not deal with Jerusalem and her images
    as I dealt with Samaria and her idols?’”
    12 When the Lord has finished all his work against Mount Zion and Jerusalem, he will say, “I will punish the king of Assyria for the willful pride of his heart and the haughty look in his eyes. 13 For he says:

    “‘By the strength of my hand I have done this,
    and by my wisdom, because I have understanding.
    I removed the boundaries of nations,
    I plundered their treasures;
    like a mighty one I subdued[a] their kings.
    14 As one reaches into a nest,
    so my hand reached for the wealth of the nations;
    as people gather abandoned eggs,
    so I gathered all the countries;
    not one flapped a wing,
    or opened its mouth to chirp.’”

    15 Does the ax raise itself above the person who swings it,
    or the saw boast against the one who uses it?
    As if a rod were to wield the person who lifts it up,
    or a club brandish the one who is not wood!
    16 Therefore, the Lord, the LORD Almighty,
    will send a wasting disease upon his sturdy warriors;
    under his pomp a fire will be kindled
    like a blazing flame.
    17 The Light of Israel will become a fire,
    their Holy One a flame;
    in a single day it will burn and consume
    his thorns and his briers.
    18 The splendor of his forests and fertile fields
    it will completely destroy,
    as when a sick person wastes away.
    19 And the remaining trees of his forests will be so few
    that a child could write them down.

    The Remnant of Israel
    20 In that day the remnant of Israel,
    the survivors of Jacob,
    will no longer rely on him
    who struck them down
    but will truly rely on the LORD,
    the Holy One of Israel.
    ...thanks and i hope this is of use to someone in their own search for understanding and God.

  3. Erika thanks for the comment...May I ask are you familiar with the old testament? Satan is represent from Genesis to Malachi.

    I agree we don't know how long Satan was in the presence of God....Scripture don't say! it could have been for thousand of years we just don't know.

    But what we can surmise or guess from Satan being kick out heaven is that sin can not and will not be allowed in the presence of a Holy God. Especially if Jesus have not cover the sin.

  4. i was not Judges but 1 Chronicles 21:1. I am thankful that you are willing to havethese conversations with me on occasion and i enjoy hearing your imput but understand if you do not want all of it filling up your comment space. i will try to keep things to a minimum as much as possible from now on...but i can't help loving to talk about and seek out the Lord...please don't let me offend you.

  5. i just noticed that the response i gave din't make it on to your comment board...just breifly so you know what i was mentioning is that in terms of our understanding there is plenty about satan in the old testament but in far as the Bible goes...the Old Testament does not have a whole lot of verses that deal specifically with someone named or called Satan (satan means accuser in hebrew)...if you do a word search for Satan on a Bible database on the internet you will be able to see how little the name satan is actually mentioned in Old Testament literature...even when it talks aboutthe serpent it does not clearly identify him as satan...i do however know that the new testament clarifies that if was Satan...and agree with you...he is all over the Old Testament...i even think it is possible that the aforementioned verse in Isaiah is about him...since at the end it says one day we will no longer "trust" in his cruelity (fearing him) but we will trust in the LORD alone and in His Holy One Jesus Christ of course. I just don't want any of us getting so proud or thinking we ourselves are the ones saving ourselves and keeping ourselves from sin so much that we start judging others inappropriately...He saves us we do not save ourselves...and what we do good or right after we are saved is only by His grace...and He deserves glory for it not us...therefore we should not get proud and think we somehow contributed to His saving us...and we should be interceeding like Abraham and Job and all the holy saints for others to come to Christ instead of "intending" to destroy those that won't...God wants us to love people even the sinners...not have a desire in our hearts to see them suffer or get destroyed...we shouldn't hope anyone goes to hell...because God loves everyone...He really does...even if they make their bed in hell as the psalmist says...God will love us...but yes you are correct He will not let anything unclean enter into heaven...He hates sin...and they will not enter in if they do not hate sin let's pray that God draws them to himself and cleanses them from all unrightousness so that they can enter the Kingdom of Heaven with us...Have a blessed day.

  6. My favorite Gandhi quote of all time is....“I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ.”

  7. @Reggie
    Yes, Gandhi either had a bad church experience or he didn't know Christ of the Bible. As you look at the emerging church today with all the various Jesus' being preached ( you have to wonder, cause I wasn't there. Both scenarios are bad cause as far as we know, Gandhi wasn't a christian/saved/born again/professing Christ even on his dead bed. And as a lot of preachers say, they've seen/heard of death bed salvation, but I wouldn't want to cut it that close...