Ne-Yo Joins Mary Mary On “God In Me” Remix.

I believe the heaven is frowning on Mary Mary’s brand of gospel and I truly believe that their music is confusing struggling Christians by blurring the lines between the gospel and secular worlds while also dividing the church. Yes I said it! They are dividing the church with this mess. You got half of the church understanding that gospel can be packaged in any musical form and the other half not paying attention...The “God In Me”and “Get Up” are not wonderful ways to minister to our lost youth... Most who aren’t regularly exposed to traditional gospel or to a church... If we’re dressing, acting and speaking like the world yet still professing our love for Christ we are liar's and the truth are not in us... We’re supposed to stand out not blend in… Either you’re on Team Christ or you’re not... As,Christian we are not supposed to draw people with how we look or sound.... We are supposed to draw people with the gospel of Jesus Christ... Paul the apostle by his own account was not a handsome man, was not a gifted orator, and did not have a pleasant speaking voice.... But he preached Jesus Christ and you saw the result... Jesus Christ Himself, despite how He is commonly depicted in movies and artwork, was a very unassuming Man by appearance.

I believe Mary Mary are desperately seeking worldly recognition (…and the almighty secular dollar) with their fifth studio release The Sound...The purpose of gospel music is to spread the message of Jesus threw song, and there should be a distinction between secular and gospel, people like Mary Mary are doing a great disservice to gospel music with there attempt to appeal to the secular market with there fancy beats and dance music, gospel is not about entertainment, it’s about praising God and it should be done with reverence...I am publicly denouncing Mary Mary’s and refusing to call them a gospel group. (Up Date) I've just learn that the queens of gospel were the opening act for Maxwell BLACK summers night tour.

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  1. They are great singers who know just enough of the word (Bible) to sing about it, but not enough to give up worldly fame or riches.

    Many of their songs talk about getting their blessing from God, How he is going to pay your bills, or like the "God in Me" mentions how big my bank account is.

    They seem more interested in becoming icons than actually ministering to the lost.

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  2. Let me say that I've read all of your posts; I enjoy your blog. But your posts pertaining to young adults in the church always strike a nerve with me.

    Do you believe that youth (and people, in general) must be exposed to traditional gospel and a traditional church setting to fully understand and receive Christ?
    I'd like to know what you prefer Mary, Mary do? How should they dress? How should they sound?

    Have you ever spoken to youth and youth adults, both saved and unsaved, and asked them how the new wave of contemporary gospel is affecting them?
    You say that the purpose of gospel music is to spread the message of Jesus through song, so what makes you believe Mary Mary isn't doing that?

    Respectfully, I ask these questions. I am a saved young woman in my late 20s that has heard statements such as yours from the older members of my church. I can assure you that these viewpoints are what's driving youth & young adults away from the traditional church and dividing the church, not the music.

    I think your post is addressing a deep issue in a subtle way. There seems to be this need to hold on to the traditions of the recent past and call it Christianity, when they're mere rules made by man.

    Please realize, that Mary Mary's music IS ministering to the lost youth. It may not be reaching you, but it's reaching someone. A 16 yr. old high school student with self esteem issues may not relate to "victory is mine. i told satan to get thee behind." But hearing "you don't know how much i prayed, don't know how much i've changed i'm just tryna explain it's the God in me" coming from the mouths of someone that looks like them, doesn't appear untouchable and relates to them on their level makes a world of difference.

    The 23 yr old professional that finished college with a great gpa and landed an awesome job, only to lose it 1 year later due to corporate downsizing may not relate to "hold to god's unchanging hand, build your hopes on things eternal." But hearing "what're you afraid of? don't you know what you're made of? one of god's greatest creations. take this invitation now. Get up" may motivate them to literally get up and keep moving forward. You just don't know.

    Lastly, I doubt that Mary Mary is seeking worldly recognition, but they are trying to spread the gospel to the world. We cannot leave the doors of the church open and expect people to just walk in; we, as the church, have to leave the building and spread the gospel of Jesus to the masses.

    Hopefully we can have a positive discussion about this.

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  3. Earlier this year when I just came back to the Lord, I was listening to an online Gospel music station. Get up started playing, I began to wonder if I had accidentally switched the station to an R&B station. I only found out it was Mary Mary after checking. My first impression of that song was that it was just a regular R&B... this song doesn't sound anything like Gospel music to me, nor does it minister to me in any form, much less: "the god in me".

    @Elsie, it's not the music that draws people to begin with -- that job is done exclusively by the Holy Spirit. Therefore, watering down the music to make it sound as similar to secular music isn't going to pull anyone. And music that is labeled as gospel music which the singers say is designed to reach the lost, if it doesn't mansion the saving grace of Jesus Christ, it is simply not Gospel music, as the message is just as watered-down as the new age christ consciousness teaching.

    When Mary Mary do all these combination with different secular artists, they are telling young Christians who look up to them as role models, it is ok to listen secular artist like David Banner, T.I, and the others they've done recordings with. They are mixing the sacred with the profane.

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  4. I like Mary Mary and don't see anything wrong with their music or contemporary gospel period. Jesus spoke in parables, an earthly story with a heavenly meaning, he wanted to reach people and have them understand and know the truth of GOD. I remember Pebbles, who is now saved and goes by Sister Perri Reid and has her own ministry. When she was in the world with secular music she was working with CeCe Winans and she said each time CeCe would come to see her she would minister to and and ask her when she was coming to her church and what not, and I know folks were saying why is CeCe Winans dealing with Pebbles, and Sister Reid will clearly tell you what CeCe was doing.. It's called planting seeds.. People don't know who God had called into others peoples lives, under what circumstance they are to meet, and what seeds will be planted when they do... I love the Lord for many things but what I love most about GOD is that he is NOT like man.

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  5. @Cop thanks for your comment and I agree.

    @Elise, thanks for your comment and for your honesty.
    "Do you believe that youth (and people, in general) must be exposed to traditional gospel and a traditional church setting to fully understand and receive Christ?"
    No Elise you don't have to be exposed to traditional gospel nor a traditional church setting to full understand and receive Christ. But you have to be expose to the real Christ of the Bible not the Christ of this world... Elise, this is what I suggest, cut the bass down and listen closely to the message... which encourages the flaunting of possessions to others as a way to convey that it’s not just you, but the God in you that allows you to posses these material things that is not of CHRIST.
    That is a form of "prosperity teaching" Look at what I have … you can have it too if you accept God into your life that's not true.

    "I'd like to know what you prefer Mary, Mary do? How should they dress? How should they sound?"
    What I would like to see Mary Mary do is cross their behinds over to the R&B side and stop causing people to stumble in there Christian walk...Then they can dress sexy and provocative with out any one wondering which Jesus they are serving.

    "Have you ever spoken to youth and youth adults, both saved and unsaved, and asked them how the new wave of contemporary gospel is affecting them?" Elisa I work with the youth in my church. I see how hard it is for the pastor on Sunday morning to get that message through. People like Mary Mary are making it hard for real pastors who are after souls for the kingdom.

    "You say that the purpose of gospel music is to spread the message of Jesus through song, so what makes you believe Mary Mary isn't doing that?"

    Elise think about it, there’s a reason why “God In Me” is played more on Urban/Adult Contemp. radio than gospel stations and smashed between other hip hop songs. The Gospel is the good news of Jesus.

    "Respectfully, I ask these questions. I am a saved young woman in my late 20s that has heard statements such as yours from the older members of my church. I can assure you that these viewpoints are what's driving youth & young adults away from the traditional church and dividing the church, not the music"
    Elise you have an advantage over most 20 year old you have accepted salvation when most in your age group have not.
    @Mark thanks for your comment and I do believe they are sending a mix message.
    Kim thanks for your comment. I never said I did not like Mary Mary are that I disliked their music. "I truly believe that their music is confusing struggling Christians by blurring the lines between the gospel and secular worlds while also dividing the church." Now that is what I believe.

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  6. 1) Are there modern musicians (re: post 1960) whom you would recommend?
    2) The decision to play God in Men on what ever radio stations is a decision made by the producers. No one said that these producers were saved or not. They have a business to run and have to go with their target audience. The reason you don't hear it played more on gospel stations is that I suspect that many of their listeners feel the way that you do about the song and are not requesting it.
    3) I agree with Kim's comment that you have to be careful about judging who God is using to provide a message. If a person who was not raised in the church had heard this song and came to you about God, I wonder what you would say to them? Sorry, it's not Shirley Ceaser move back two spaces?

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  7. @browngirlmindspasm thanks for your comment...You are right once upon a time gospel music was a ministries but not any more. For some strange reason It has lost it yoke breaking power. Could it be that evils that's attach to it now?

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  8. I am in my mid 20's and I minister to both youth and young adults. I agree with this post. It seems everywhere I go now the message is about getting money, women, power. Somehow now the church seems to purport that same view, with many of the larger preachers and gospel artists flossing and flaunting, and putting God in the middle of it. I'm glad that they are giving what they think is God's due credit, but I'm afraid that it also sends the wrong message.

    We have a younger culture watching now and see preaching almost like rapping and want to be "gospel artists" to make money. A young lady with a beautiful voice who sings often really wanted to do R&B, but felt that the church would be more accepting of her "look" and the talent pool was not as deep; so she decided that she would launch her "career" in Gospel music.

    A God given message is just that, and I don't see how anyone has the right to commoditize that for personal gain. I don't know what Mary Mary's pure intentions are here, but I see it against a larger backdrop of corruption, which, historically, the Protestant movement was born out of. My have the tables turned.

    Sorry my ideas are all over the place, but this song has been in my head and in my spirit all day bothering me and it's confirmation to read your blog this evening.

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  9. @ jjbrock - You think evil is attached to it? How so? I mean, it's one thing to say that's prosperity gospel. It's another thing to say it's evil. Also, I'm still waiting on some recommendations. It's one thing to complain about it, it's another thing to take action and either 1) don't listen to it 2) support those artists whom you feel speak to you and your respective ministry

    @ anonymous - Gospel Artists have been making money except now they are getting properly paid (think Payola scandal)..They know they can make money from performing, writing, producing, etc. Since was it a problem to have your gift provide for it. Mahalia wasn't just singing for the heck of it. If she was, she would have never taken a dime

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  10. @browngirlmindspasm
    Are there modern musicians whom you would recommend?

    One artist I would recommend is gentleman known as " Da Truth"
    He is a rapper who not only has a great sound fans of Mary, Mary might like, but the words to his songs have some sumstance to it.

    His songs talk about more than waiting on your "BLESSING".
    He raps about would God be pleased with your behavior behind closed doors, neglecting your family so you can lead the church.

    These are things Mary, Mary wont sing about. It's much harder to dance to a song that is convicting your soul.

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  11. @jjbrock, so many issues to touch on. i'll keep it short. just like you, i'm familiar with the song and it's message. i work with the youth in my church. i don't agree with prosperity teaching. what's interesting is that you and i have two different interpretations of the song. I hear it saying that the public may see all of the stuff; what they don't know is that the stuff isn't important, the intimate relationship with God is. That is MY interpretation of the song because that is a part of MY story. Both of our interpretations are valid and we both got something different out of the song. Moving on...

    i'm not understanding exactly what you believe the problem is with Mary Mary. is it the sound of the music? does the actual music sound too much like r&b? you mentioned the fancy beats and dance music, when did a fancy beat become something that wasn't of Christ? and how do you even determine what a fancy beat is? i've heard church drummers do some of the craziest beats ever.

    lastly, wouldn't you want a contemporary station to play a bit of gospel music? or would you prefer that gospel music only be played on gospel stations?

    and i'm just gonna co-sign the comments of Kim and blackgirlmindspasm. :-)

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  12. @ Cop. Thanks for the recommendation.
    I will check him out.

    I agree that it would be hard to dance to a song like that unless you were "shaking the devil off." However, not all music has that purpose. Some songs are meant for praise where dancing could be an appropriate action.

    I'm sure I may come across a little strange. But I don't ask or make my comments to aggravate anyone.

    I am a former preacher's daughter and let's just say I saw one thing too many behind the scenes that have since caused me to question everything I was told and believed at face value. I am someone who has grown increasingly cynical and skeptical of a lot of things concerning God, church, religion, and all of the above.
    One of the main things that turned me off was the inability to ask questions such as the ones I have posed on this blog. I was criticized for a variety of reasons: 1) You're a PK who should already know this stuff so I don't need to teach you 2)How are you question God? How dare you question us (re: preacher, deacon, missionary, etc) 3) Believe it because that's what is, without providing any context behind a scripture.

    I'm just trying to find the truth behind all the smoke and mirrors. I felt like I got to a point that I was going to church out of ritual like taking a shower and not because I was at a church that felt fed my spirit.

    With so many conflicting messages: questionable music, pastors on wife number 3, money laundering, Where is someone supposed to find God in the midst of all of that?

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  13. yes, Ann I understand what you're saying, I'm just in disagreement One can still listen to the traditional gospel, No one has to listen to contemporary gospel. I wonder why people feel that they have to listen to contemporary gospel.

    This whole topic makes me think on the reaction of Ananias when God tells him Saul is his chosen vessel..

    It does not matter what is, it doesn't matter what WE see, What WE think... What WE feel. Because We don't know... but God does..God uses whatever and WHOMEVER he sees fit.

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  14. thewordstillstand@blogspot.comTuesday, 01 September, 2009

    I read all the post and i have one thing to say we are living in the last days. It may sound cliche but it is da truth. Many are not enduring sound doctrine(from the WHOLE WORD) but have itchy ears and running to and fro and doing there own thing. @browngirlmindspasm,'where is one supposed to find God in the midst of all of that?' You don't look for Him there you look for Him at his address on earth aka THE WORD!! Don't mind my way of speaking, i am a matter of fact kind of person and i understand where you are coming from. Let me tell you something, i am 30 years, married with one toddler, am a professional in the discipline that i have studied, not as fortunate as you to grow up in a christian home, both parents still religious,(i am praying them in and also my 3 siblings,), never knew life out in the world(but would have split hell wide open anyway), ah but i accepted Christ at 19 and serving Him from then till now along side my husband. It was the WORD that molded me and shapening me still. It cleanses your way if you take heed, read Psa 119:9. This is the reason why i speak boldly the Word as it is. You see i applied God'S WORD early o'clock to every area of my life from then till now, it's how i am standing, especially in these times. Why as christians our music, speech, dress and lifestyles have to be always questionable? Are we salt that lost its savor? Why we are blurred? Is God not a God of clarity and order? Why can't we not question a pastor etc, in a respectable manner and get honest and humble answers(from the WORD of course, where ever applicable), are they above us? I recommend that we get back to the WORD, and we would find our way. The WORD is still very reliable and applicable in every area of our walk. Please let us put away head knowledge, walking with emotions and doing as we feel. Don't be blurred.

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  15. ********I believe the heaven is frowning on Mary Mary’s brand of gospel and I truly believe that their music is confusing struggling Christians by blurring the lines between the gospel and secular worlds while also dividing the church. Yes I said it! They are dividing the church with this mess.
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    That is a bit extreme. I dont understand how Mary Mary is dividing an entire church on a way life that has been for many years. If Chrisitanity is so weak that one non traditional gospel group can divide it, maybe it should be divided. If the church depends on the music only deliver their message I find the church at fault. I believe that Christianity should be learned and lived. I never learned about Jesus through music. I learned about Jesus initally from my grandma who made us go to Sunday school religously even when we didnt know what was going on. After going to sunday we never went to church. Nobody in the family not even grandma. But as life we went grandma continue to tell us pray and talk about the lord. My grandmother is the most generous, kind, caring, unselfish woman I have ever known. I would question why she endured certain things and people in her life that I knew and everyone else knew wasnt any good and it was because of her being a Christian and trying to live life how Jesus would have wanted her too. I learned charity, patience, self worth, love, and Jesus from her not any song that has ever been created.

    I dont go to church but I feel good when I listen to Mary Mary, Yolanda Adams, Kirk Franklin, Ty Tribit, Bebe & CeCe. I am not from the old church of Mahaila Jackson and others like her. That doesnt make me less of a Christian it just makes me a Christian who was taught a different way. I believe in a more effective way by watching someone live Christian like versus listening to someone talk about how they live a Chrisitian life.

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  16. @ the wordstillstand - It's funny that you consider me fortunate for having grown up in a "Christian" home. You missed the point of my post completely. How can you say I don't look for Him there if I'm going to there ie the church to receive God's word or at least an interpretation/clarification of it. You're the type of person I've seen in many instances - those who brag that they've been saved so long that their boasting turns off those who are trying to find what you've supposedly had for so long. You seem very proud to have accomplished this goal and I'm happy for you, I really am that you were able to find something that you hold very dear and are obviously very passionate about even if you don't think one should walk with emotions. I'm just someone who is trying to know Him for myself rather than get spoonfed someone else's version of what it is they think I should believe and follow.

    @md20737 - I agree with your statement about the easy possibility of division.

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  17. Thanks for your post. My best friend and I were having a conversation about Mary Mary a few weeks ago. We're both in our late twenties and we agreed that Mary Mary is taking things too far with their music.

    While I understand they are trying to cater to a younger audience, I feel as though people are more caught up in the catchy beat than the lyrics themselves. When I first heard their latest song, I was like what in the world is this. It sounded like something you'd hear in a club and see someone shaking their booty to.

    I grew up and have pretty much always attended churches where the choirs sing contemporary gospel. What Mary Mary is doing is beyond gospel. I think it's interesting you only hear it played on mainstream stations with your Top 40 artists. I can't tell you one time that I've heard 'It's the God In Me' played on a gospel station, clearly there's a reason why.

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  18. Ann et al --
    I'm not the biggest Mary Mary fan. To me they're a little too pop-ish for my gospel taste. I'm an old school Methodist and hardcore golden era B-boy. It's not Mahalia or Gangstarr, so Mary Mary ain't my thing.

    But, they're not making Christian music for me, its for kids and young people around my age who are still trolling the clubs looking for real life.

    That being said, I couldn't care less that Mary Mary partner with Ne-Yo. They're musicians & musicians collaborate. Its not uncommon for R&B artists to have gospel artists perform with them, or sing gospel music themselves. Some of the gospel greats were Sam Cooke and Aretha Franklin, soul music pioneers.

    Who knows, their lives (if they're true examples of a Christ-centered life), might light a faith spark under otherwise lecherous pop stars.

    I'm more concerned with the preacher's are on wife #6 or steal from their church members and so-called 'gospel artists' with baby momma drama than Mary Mary doing the opener for Maxwell (seeing as most 25-40 year old black Christian woman listen to both).

    This marks an issue in the Black Church which my pastor mentioned this Sunday -- trying to save 21th century souls with a 1965 church style. The Gospel is universal, but Jesus spoke to the relevance of His age. Mary Mary, Tonex and others are reaching an audience that would probably ignore Yolanda Adams or flip off anyone over 35.

    So long as Mary Mary can live Christ-filled lives within the pressures of the entertainment industry, then more power to them.

    I'd rather have Mary Mary & Kirk Franklin than the bland, sanctimonious, irrelevant silliness that passes for Contemporary Christian Music or the oversexed, toxic spew that is now 'urban contemporary' music.

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  19. you lost me when you put God and traditional in the same context. Please be more careful not to confuse God with Religion or Christians with church folk. Young people seek to be Christians not "churchy"
    If you don't like, don't listen. But when you judge in hate and haste, you forget that many came to..and back to the church because of people like Tina & Erica.
    NEVER question someone's Holiness, Faith, or love of God. It's just not... Christ-like.

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  20. yOUU DON'T HAVE TO BE EXPOSED TO TRADITIONAL GOSPEL MUSIC TO BE A cHRISTIAN BUT YOU SHO' DO HAVE TO BE EXPOSED TO THE TRADITIONAL GOSPEL.
    Mary Mary and others of the same compromise present a watered down version of the gospel through their hybrid mix of "gospel" music.
    Even if music is the medium the cross and the work of Christ must be central to the message. Fewer and fewer of the contemporary Christian artists present a clear message in the music.
    How can you say the bank account is the God in me when the scripture says a godly man's life does not consist of what he possesses? The true faith is being lost in the musical prosperity gospel; the easy wide road and the crossover appeal. I wish they's bring The Cross over and let the real gospel do the work.

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  21. Could Mary Mary's purpose simply be to plant the seed and when and if, that person seeks God/the word someone else takes over to water the plant?

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  22. thewordstillstands@blogspot.comTuesday, 01 September, 2009

    Can bitter and sweet water flow from the same fountain? What is Mary Mary's purpose? Is it to mix gospel and secular and become blurry eyed? Not all seeds are good. They still can produce fruit that is bad and spoil the whole tree. I would still say, when we do not take heed to God's Word and we want to walk in the flesh, this is what happens to us, we mix, our lines are blurred, we can't see things properly. If Mary Mary were truly artiste of the gospel they would never compramise. We can go on and on this topic, but i would say again and again, by whom do we live, God, or our flesh/emotions/etc? Are we salt that has lost its savor? Satan must be mocking us because we are compramising in our music, speech, dress and lifestyles!!

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  23. thewordstillstands@blogspot.comWednesday, 02 September, 2009

    sorry the word should have been compromise.

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  24. @browngirlmindspasm thanks again for your comment.

    "I'm just trying to find the truth behind all the smoke and mirrors. I felt like I got to a point that I was going to church out of ritual like taking a shower and not because I was at a church that felt fed my spirit."
    In order to know "The Truth" you must first seek "The Truth" and that can only be found in His Word which is the Bible. The God of the Bible is not the god that is preach in most churches today. He is a God of love but He is also a God of Wrath.

    "With so many conflicting messages: questionable music, pastors on wife number 3, money laundering, Where is someone supposed to find God in the midst of all of that?"
    @browngirlmindspasm God said to seek after Him. It don't matter who's preaching The Word it's the same. The Word will stand on it's own. You can't water The Word down but you can water down the message.

    @Kim thanks again for your comment."It does not matter what is, it doesn't matter what WE see, What WE think... What WE feel. Because We don't know... but God does..God uses whatever and WHOMEVER he sees fit." I total disagree with that Kim. God is a "HOLY GOD" and it does matter. You Can't just offer up anything to "GOD" just because you are I think it's acceptable. We don't offer our agenda to God He gives us His.

    @thewordstillstand@blogspot.com Thank you for that wonderful comment. It pleases my heart to see a young christian with your knowledge and understanding of the Word of God.

    @md20737 thanks for your comment. Yes it's extreme but that's how the Kingdom of God will be taken back from the enemy is by force

    "I dont go to church but I feel good when I listen to Mary Mary, Yolanda Adams, Kirk Franklin, Ty Tribit, Bebe & CeCe."
    It's nothing wrong with listening to these artist you listed. It's nothing wrong with feeling good about the music either. But along with feeling good you must have that assurance that you will spend eternity with Christ.
    I have one question for you if you died right now, at which judgment seat will you find your self? 1).Would it be the Judgment Seat of Christ, were the believer is judge. 2). The Great White Throne were the unbeliever will be judge. Now if you notice there's no number 3. Now if you can answer that truthful then by all means keep feeling good.

    @DynamicDiva thanks for your comment.I believe Erica's husband does beats for a living. Some of his clients are Snoop Dog, Kayne and Mos Def to name a few. I fully understand were the influence in their music is coming from.
    Darkness and light cannot walk together before one over take the other. In this case darkness is winning.

    @LACoincidental thanks for your comment.
    "This marks an issue in the Black Church which my pastor mentioned this Sunday -- trying to save 21th century souls with a 1965 church style." The style might change but the message should stay the same. Jesus is the one who saves not man. So if you preach Jesus and He alone you want have problem. Anytime you try and sell Jesus plus something else you got problems.

    @Minister Smith thanks for your comment.
    "NEVER question someone's Holiness, Faith, or love of God. It's just not... Christ-like." Why can't I ask questions? I no I can't question some one Salvation but I sure can question their walk. Especially if it's contrary to the Word of God.

    @saint james thank you pastor for your comment. "I wish they's bring The Cross over and let the real gospel do the work." I could not have said it better.

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  25. Ann we have to agree to disagree. I don't think Mary Mary or other 'hipster' gospel artists are selling "Jesus + something else", they simply have a different way of expressing their faith. Its how they live outside the studio that makes the difference.

    Conflating cultural preferences with the Gospel is theologically flawed and often dangerous thinking. Remember, no one in an old school Methodist or Catholic church would be caught dead listening to 'traditional gospel' back in the 40's or 50's. And lets not get started on the whole "King James == true Bible" foolishness a lot of older Black folks get into.


    So what if Mary Mary gets their beats from guys who do secular music? Again, they're musicians, the collaborate with other musicians. Should they only get Jars of Clay or Toby Mac to lay tracks?
    They're a different generation and the idea that Gospel artists stay in their little sandbox are long gone. Just as rock, jazz, R&B and (to some extent) hip-hop traces its roots back to Gospel Music, today's Gospel musicians grew up listening to much of the same secular music that everyone else did. And that style (and not content) influences them.

    Its not a flame, but lets not let our own preferences get in the way of letting other express God the way they are called to do. Christianity is not a monolith -- so long as we adhere to Biblical principles, we are given much lead was in how we worship.

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  26. ***********I have one question for you if you died right now, at which judgment seat will you find your self? 1).Would it be the Judgment Seat of Christ, were the believer is judge. 2). The Great White Throne were the unbeliever will be judge. Now if you notice there's no number 3. Now if you can answer that truthful then by all means keep feeling good.
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    I have no idea what you are talking about. You dont have the right to know the answer to those questions. You are not the judge.

    "For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in Him should not perish, but have everlasting life."

    – John 3:16

    So believing in him is the only qualifier that matters to me. The music I enjoy has no correlation with judgement day. That is fanatical of you to say. This is how & why people love & listen to Mary Mary they are inviting, open, & most of all non-judgemental. They are spreading the word of the LORD as a profession. You cant get anymore right than that.

    If music is what defines who is worthy enough to enter eternal happiness with your lord, I decline to be a part of that. The Lord to me is much more than just music. He is everything. He is life, love, and happiness. To knock someone else worship is conterproductive & useless. Although we dont agree. I have not told you that you are doing wrong. I just dont agree & move on I suggest you take the same approach, before you start judging others intentions with the lord. Let Mary Mary be they havent hurt anyone.

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  27. @md20737 - I believe she was of the impression that you were saying you weren't a Christian but love to listen the gospel artists you mentioned. If you are a Christian, then all you had to do was to make it clear that you are. She only responded that way because you gave the impression that you are not yet a Christian. But if you haven't yet committed your life to the Lord, then you should take heed to what she said, as your are or either saved or lost.

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  28. I find it very interesting that there are so many comments on this topic and yet no comments on the post about Mr. Weeks and his pending nuptials. Just an observation.

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  29. Ann,
    I'm in TOTAL disagreement with you and we can leave it at that.

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  30. Hello there my friend!
    Sorry to be so late to such an interesting party! LOL! But alas, you and I have been at this party together before! I love you as a sister in the Lord and respect your ideas and concepts and you also know that I disagree with your post. People will always have disagreements on this issue and that is alright! There is right and wrong, good and bad in the world AND in the church, that being said I worked in a church and I worked in the secular world and it was totally amazing, disturbing & and totally disgusting to me to find the same sorts of nonsense going on in both places until God simply reminded me that we are all human and NONE of us perfect!
    Mary, Mary can go and be heard where a Shirley Ceaser/Yolanda Adams type can not. Different ages and levels require different delivery. If it's not for you then move on, if it ministers to you than take the word from it and move on. I don't know about anyone else here but I believe that My God is intricate enough, and majestic enough, and funny enough to cause OR ALLOW a situation to occur to reach just one soul.
    It is not my place to judge who HE chooses to use!
    Final note - These same exact things were said about BeBe & CeCe when they first came out, especially when they worked with Whitney Houston and Teddy Riley, again I say, it is Not My Place to judge whom GOD will and will not use to reach HIS souls!
    Peace & Love All!

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  31. @Regina thanks for your comment. It's ok that you disagree with the post. I knew it was not going to be popular. Heck! Jesus wasn't popular either. That's why the same people wanted what He had in one hand then turn around and wanted to stone Him. So that tells me if Mary Mary and others started to sing about the Jesus of the Bible they wouldn't be popular either. You and I both no Jesus don't sell!

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  32. Since many have given salient comments regarding this matter, I'll try to keep my post succinct. Mary Mary, JMoss, and many other gospel minstrels are entertainers. Period. They have a form of godliness (e.g. they say "Jesus" and "God" in their songs), but they deny the true power of God through Jesus Christ. They are another plank in the seeker-sensitive church model that incorrectly espouses slick marketing and "relevant appeal" to the message of hope in Christ alone, repentance, and salvation. Even worse, many of the minstrels who "sing" this mess are wrapped up in reprobate sin that they practice openly around one another (homosexuality, lesbianism, adultry, drugs and alcohol, and more).

    For those who think we shouldn't judge these folks (or others who claim to be Christians), I caution you to read your bibles in context and totality. Those of us who claim to follow Christ (in word, deed and action) are called to line everything up against the Word of God, and judge accordingly. If you claim to be a representative of Christ (not even a minister, just a devout follower), then you should bear fruit CONTINUALLY. If there is no fruit, then there is no evident regeneration. Perfection is not what I or other Apologist seek, but we when we fall we should fall forward toward Christ - not backwards into the world. Sorry - but the truth is in fact the truth.

    To be clear: folks may be attracted to the Gospel message when it's packaged with a slick beat and worldly references, but they will not stay connected to the core of the Gospel message when times get tough. Instead, they "fall out of love" with Jesus and return to the world even more bitter and hardened because the music stopped.

    I'm not saying that music=Hell and that we should all humm "The Old Rugged Cross" 3 times each Sunday and Wednesday. As Cop wrote, there are many Christ-focused singers, songwriters, and entertainers out there - from every race and creed. I am saying that we should stop pretending that the vast majority of Gospel music is anything more than baseless entertainment that finances the care and feeding of reporbates who pretend to be angels of light.

    And @browngirlmindspasm - regarding false bishop and overal effiminate sham artist Tommy Weeks, I've written enough about him to warn the sheep to stay away. Every move he makes solidifies his apostate nature. If anyone follows/listens to/supports this fool, then the Lord's will be done.

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  33. Oh, and I forgot to add: for those who question my "street credibility", I am a black man in my late 30's who owned more "gospel" music than I did straight-up R&B and rap for most of my life. I bought it, bumped it in my car on the way to the club, listened to it in the club (they play alot of the Clark Sisters and Kirk Franklin in the clubs, you know), and threw it all out when I repented and returned to the Lord...

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  34. I think that alot of "Gospel" artists are too afraid (or convicted) to go and sign a straight up r&b deal, so they try to be as r&b as they can while still maintaining a "Gospel" label. A key thing that gives that away is when the name of Jesus is absent from many (if not all) of their songs, which unfortunately is the case with Mary Mary. When you want the secular stage, exposure, and money it's REAL easy to compromise and convince yourself and your followers that it's all about "ministry" and "reaching" the lost.

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  35. The Gospel is the death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus Christ. Anyone who seeks to accept God's free gift of salvation offered through Jesus Christ must repent of their sins, forsake their worldly ways, and live their lives in a manner that brings glory and honor to God. This is the Gospel message! Any form of music that does not explicitly convey and communicate these principles can hardly be classified as "Gospel".

    The problem with the "Gospel" Music Industry at-large is that much of it is based on secular principles of musicality, marketing, and advertising, the chief aim of which is to increase record sales and turn up massive profits. These things are more important that bringing glory and honor to God.

    The fact of the matter is that most of the "Gospel" recording companies are actually owned by "secular" recording companies. Sure, they may seek to employ "Christian" people to try and tailor the music to pass if off as "Gospel," but the real intention is to get record sales and profits. In order to achieve this, the "Gospel" artists are required to market themselves and their music in such a way that it would be "popular" and "attractive" to the wider market, no matter what methodologies and strategies it takes to accomplish these goals.

    So, if this means having to blatantly ignore and/or completely disregard any clear Scriptural commands to "come out from among the world and be separate"; if it means completely obliterating any lines that may exist between the secular and the sacred; if it means superimposing "spiritual" elements into "fleshly" styles of music, dress, and speech and then reclassifying them as "Christian"; if it means compromising, ignoring, and/or altering certain aspects of the Gospel that might be "offensive" to certain people's idiosyncrasies and ideologies; if it means partnering in joint ventures with other artists whose music and lifestyles promote the most ungodliest of sins; as long as one can reach a wider audience and get people to listen to "Gospel" music, then that's what really matters.

    It's not necessarily about how much glory God can really get out it all, it's mainly about how many CDs/DVDs/MP3s one can sale; how many accolades and awards one can achieve; how many events and engagements one can be invited to; how many concert halls, basketball stadiums, and megachurches one can fill-up; these are the things that really count!

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  36. We don't judge people, but we have every right to judge the fruit. We are constantly warned in the Bible to be not deceived. How many of us can truly say we were saved because we heard some watered down so-called gospel song on the radio? We don't need to change the message of the gospel. God has not changed and the gospel is still relevant. We do not have to try and make it relevant or appealing to this generation. We submit our gifts to the Lord, and let Him lead us and lives will be changed. God is not dumb and ignorant that he needs us to decide how to make Him relevant to this generation. He decides and we have the responsibility to submit to Him and be led by the Spirit. God did a mighty work in my life as a teenager and it wasn't because some popular singer came to the church or had some song out. It was the truth of the message being spoken in my youth group and the moving of the Holy Spirit. Let's stop offering our youth garbage. They are ore valuable than that and precious in God's eyes.

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  38. thewordstillstands@blogspot.coSaturday, 25 June, 2011

    sorry the word should have been compromise.

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  39. you lost me when you put God and traditional in the same context. Please be more careful not to confuse God with Religion or Christians with church folk. Young people seek to be Christians not "churchy"
    If you don't like, don't listen. But when you judge in hate and haste, you forget that many came to..and back to the church because of people like Tina & Erica.
    NEVER question someone's Holiness, Faith, or love of God. It's just not... Christ-like.

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