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Saturday, May 30, 2009

Hip-Hop And The Church!

I am against "Youth Ministry"! because I don't believe it's needed...What's happening in this video is one of the reason that Hip-Hop has come in-to the church and I am willing to bet it started with youth ministry somewhere....Why can't the youth of today be taught the same thing that adults or taught...If you make a well inform choice to follow Jesus it's going to cost you something, mainly the world....The youth don't need a Hip Hop Gospel, they need "The Gospel"...If preaching Jesus want draw folks in-to a place were He's supposedly the main attraction, then why are we getting up on Sunday morning going to a place were He's not even at....This is a spiritual issues and if you're still a babe in Christ you want get it nor will you fully understand what's going on in this video... In other words if you are unskilled in the word of God it will be hard to tell good from evil....Some are calling this new movement "Conversionism" which is an idea straight from hell...What happen to Evangelism? We are call to defeat the devil with the word of God there's no need to conform to the world...All that's needed is the word of God...Again I believe Lucifer has gain entrance in the church mostly by way of the music... The Bible tells us that Lucifer was the worship leader in heaven... Before our world began, before we had the potential of singing praise to God, Lucifer stood before God and orchestrated the heavenly hosts in songs of praise and worship....Yet at some point, this angel of light felt the worship directed to God would be better directed to him...Somehow, he was able to convince 1/3 of the angels to follow him to rule and reign over a small planet, circulating a third rate star in an unremarkable part of the universe...And so it began.
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  1. Well lets ban all forms of music in the church. Because a lot of that is derived from 80s RB, blues, and doo-wop. Even music can be redeemed by the blood of Jesus as we are all well aware.

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  2. First, I must agree with PT. Gospel is derived from its secular cousins, blues and r&b.

    Well, to bring people into the church, the church must meet them where they are. Hip hop excites the masses and is a way to reach out to young people who might not otherwise be interested in the church.

    On the other hand, a lot of gospel hip hop toes the line. I heard a song the other night and I was not even aware that it was a gospel sound until the very end and I think I heard Jesus and praise mentioned.

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  3. I am a former gospel radio announcer. From May 2008-March 2009, I was the morning drive radio personality on WLOU 1350 in Louisville. My husband is well known in this city as a radio program director. We have worked all genres of urban music including hip hop and R&B. We have been gatekeepers in terms of what music gets airplay and what doesn't.

    I understand your concern. Satan is the prince of the power of the air, including and especially the air waves. I have been slow in playing alot of hip hop gospel because a lot of it has no redeeming value- you can't hear the lyrics or the lyrics are shallow with no spiritual depth.

    There are some hip hop gospel artists, Canton Jones for example, comes out of Eddie Long's church, who are getting national airplay. "Stay Saved" was one of his big songs. That song resonated with young, black men-strong, positive message, nice tempo. We need to do all we can to reach them, and many of them have lead hardcore lives.

    Eddie Long has a new CD out that targets a young adult demo. He's backed by the heavy hitters of contemporary gospel, Mary Mary, Tye Tribbett, and Dorinda Clarke Cole. Smokie Norful comes out of Long's church. Like it or not, Eddie Long is a force to be reckoned in gospel music. Eventhough I don't care for his theology, his choir has put out some great music-"Suddenly" and another song on that CD that spoke about grace-come to mind.

    When I listen to gospel music, I am listening for sound biblical doctrine first and foremost, audible lyrics and strong rhythms. It's not just hip hop gospel that Satan is using. He uses all of it. That's why we must pray about this issue and for our gospel radio stations and church music ministries, the music directors, program directors, and even general managers, owners, Ministers of Music and worship leaders that "saved" people are in those positions who are watching out for the sheep, and who are doing the will of Almighty God.

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  4. In the world they teach you when you really want to know what's going on...follow the money.

    Folks just follow the money...you'll see if the is what those who are pushing it is really about godliness.

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  5. @pt thanks for your comment but like I mention in the piece if your're still a babe in Christ are you're not saved you want get it.

    @Max Reddick thanks for your comment I never mention banding music from the church but maybe that is the next step.

    @Jesus Saves Ministries thanks for your comment, I don't have a problem with all music nor do I have a problem with Hip-Hop but looking at this clip something is not right.

    @Anonymous thanks for your comment and I do believe it's all about the money.

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  6. We have to be carefully not to confuse tradition with spirituality. God is not limited by our man made traditional sounds or acts we do in church.

    Everything we do in church was born out of an experience. Fifty years ago, people were trying to put James Cleveland and The Caravans out of the church--because they were introducing a "bluesy" sound to church. Today it's considered normal.

    I say all this to say...we should use our decrement in dealing with this matter. Were there is good, evil will always be present, so we got to always be guarded.

    Keep doing your thing...Old Black Church--I love your site!!!

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  7. I understand going to extremes--however one of the things that "the church" as a unfied establishment is sometimnes failing to do is remain culturally relevant in an ever changing world. The church should pursue to adapt its ministries to current needs and trends within Christ's church and the community at large without compromising the gospel. In fact--Cultural relevance is one of the core values of the church I attend. Please refer to 1 Corinthians 9:19-23. In the NIV version, Paul says: "I have become all things to all men so that by all possible means I might save some." If I gotta break the sermon down to the youth (who I work with in our Junior Worship setting) so that they understand and can apply the gospel in their lives--that's what I'm going to do.

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  8. @Cedric thanks for your comment and the Love.

    @Lesli D.Corbin thanks for your comment and there's nothing wrong with breaking a sermon down so the youth can understand it I get that.

    I am willing to bet you're good at reaching the youth in your church with out gimmicks...There's a difference between what your are saying and what Eddie is doing in this clip.

    Now I believe we as Christian have blurred the lines so bad that we can't bring souls to Christ without some kinda of gimmick.

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  9. Have you actually read this book. I think you are misinterpreting the purpose of it. "Hip-Hop" is speaking yes of music, but primarily of culture. Youth today, especially - but not only - urban youth are directed by that cultural backdrop you can't ignore that. This is not different gospel it is the Death Burial and Resurrection of Jesus the Christ.

    Reality is we have to realize the perception and philosophical background of that individuals are coming from. That is what Paul and more importantly Jesus did.

    I also argue that developmentally, teenagers aren't the same as adults, they process differently, they need different things. I am a proponent of having teens in the service, but I also believe their spiritual life is different than that of their parents and other adults. That has been shown numerous time.

    This video, is performance NOT hip-hop as a culture. And realistically this is what the black church has been doing - even through gospel for years. So if you want to take aim at shallow musical worship (worships is so much bigger than music) have at it. Don't just aim at hip hop.

    As far as music goes. There are fears in Christian rap just like there are fakers in Gospel - just turn on BET. Also, every song by a Christian doesn't have to say JESUS every other line. IT can promote Christian value and biblical Truth regardless. It is like God in the book of Ester. YHWH isn't there literately, but YHYH is constantly present in the values and example of His providence.

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  10. @blackwasp19 thanks for your comment...But I disagree with your statement:"Also, every song by a Christian doesn't have to say JESUS every other line."Why Not? Do you mean like Mary,Mary "Get Up."

    I believe If you are singing about Christ and His love why shouldn't I know it's about Him? Why try and hide Christ when He is who you are singing about...I don't get it; If you are singing to your lover don't you expect them to know to whom you are speaking?

    I am standing on this;
    We can’t allow (with our silence) people like Eddie Long who is reshaping the God of the Bible to fit this generation Hip-Hop culture.

    We owe our young people the truth:God is a God of Love as well as a God of Wrath and judgment...You can't live any kind of way, justify it and then talk about how much they love God.

    This coming from the pulpit is dangerous and deceptive even if unintentionally so. The church supposedly is a body of believers in fellowship, who speak the truth in love, not a building where we come to "CROSS IT OUT"

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  11. I have a problem with a lot of the spurious doctrines coming from Eddie Long. Remember he was on the History Chanel a few years back, and referred to his church as a spiritual corporation. Yes, its big business.


    I'm not a fan of Holy Hip-Hop. But I have seen and heard brethren in the HHH movement rap some good theology.

    I can see from the stand point of ministering to your church's youth on a level where they get it. You would be suprised to learn that there is a small percentage of youth that actually like Gospel Rap or Holy Hip Hop. In 13 years of dealing with African American youth in the Inner City on both the West and East Coast, I have found that the youth respond to the church, by relationship with that youth leader/pastor and in conversation.

    The minute you come with a being fake or not being transparent they will drop you.


    I think we are more excited in leadership over the music, contemporary, gospel, or whatever. Because the numbers showing up don't mean a thing. It's when you have seen those kids from teens to adulthood, and they thank you for what you taught or how you treated them.

    We forgot several things with this issue:

    Let all things be done decent and in order. If you get that from that video, more power to you. But that was the flesh. That was a party spirit. And wasn't in that.

    Do your gospel rap, but it's about changed lives by the power of the Holy Bible & The Holy Spirit.

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  12. @jjbrock - I again bring up Ester. It is a book in the Cannon, in our orthodox scripture, but it doesn't say God at all. I don't think artists should shirk putting the name of Jesus in their music, but I also don't think they need to force it. God finds value in our Art.

    Every Christian writer doesn't have to included Jesus in their writing for lay out the message of salvation. Their art can in itself reflect reconciliation, justice, love etc. I honestly believe we trap ourselves when we only make "Christian" music. There are different purposes and kinds of music. LeCrae is gonna have Jesus in every song, but an artist like Kaboose (both rappers) is just as Christian, but doesn't always say Jesus.

    Think of Jesus himself, his parables were art & culture they directed people to the father - and to him as the Christ, but out right say it all the time. There is some value in that.

    Also, I agree if ANYONE is perverting the Gospel - regardless of the vehicle - they need to be called out, lets just not blanket Hip-Hop culture, that is a little unfair.

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  13. I do not believe secular hip-hop has a place in the church. You cannot use a beat from Lil Wayne and change it to a gospel song by putting Jesus somewhere in it. I do however strongly believe in youth ministries. I am in my 20s and remember being at church with my parents just there because that is what we did, we went to church. Youth issues are no where near the same as adult issues and vice versa. I didn't develop a personal relationship with God until I was about to leave college. I went to church every Sunday, but rarely opened my bible. I knew right from wrong and believed everything the bible said to be true, but it as a young adult you need to know how the word relates to you. We don't need to sugar coat things and yes we do need to teach the word as it is, but in this world it is important to reach out to the youth and find ways to relate to them.

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  14. To say that God needs Hip Hop to get through to people borderlines blasphemy. Jesus said that he is "sufficient". If you lift up HIS name, he will draw people to HIM. Lets be real people, were there ANY musical traveling artists? Were there any singers in the bible ministering too people? People need to put music in its proper place, it should be use for the edification of our Lord and Savior not necessarily to draw people because the Word, His Truth, can do that.

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  15. I believe that God gives us all gifts, talents, and abilities to be used to glorify Him and to uplift His kingdom...whatever he gives you you are to give it back to Him. I would much rather have someone to use their ability to rap, sing, dance etc, for the glory of God than to honor the world.

    There is a lot of tradition in the black church that is not even biblical, so we have to be careful of what we condemn.

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  16. @Cedric thanks for your comment and the Love.

    @Lesli D.Corbin thanks for your comment and there's nothing wrong with breaking a sermon down so the youth can understand it I get that.

    I am willing to bet you're good at reaching the youth in your church with out gimmicks...There's a difference between what your are saying and what Eddie is doing in this clip.

    Now I believe we as Christian have blurred the lines so bad that we can't bring souls to Christ without some kinda of gimmick.

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  17. I am a former gospel radio announcer. From May 2008-March 2009, I was the morning drive radio personality on WLOU 1350 in Louisville. My husband is well known in this city as a radio program director. We have worked all genres of urban music including hip hop and R&B. We have been gatekeepers in terms of what music gets airplay and what doesn't.

    I understand your concern. Satan is the prince of the power of the air, including and especially the air waves. I have been slow in playing alot of hip hop gospel because a lot of it has no redeeming value- you can't hear the lyrics or the lyrics are shallow with no spiritual depth.

    There are some hip hop gospel artists, Canton Jones for example, comes out of Eddie Long's church, who are getting national airplay. "Stay Saved" was one of his big songs. That song resonated with young, black men-strong, positive message, nice tempo. We need to do all we can to reach them, and many of them have lead hardcore lives.

    Eddie Long has a new CD out that targets a young adult demo. He's backed by the heavy hitters of contemporary gospel, Mary Mary, Tye Tribbett, and Dorinda Clarke Cole. Smokie Norful comes out of Long's church. Like it or not, Eddie Long is a force to be reckoned in gospel music. Eventhough I don't care for his theology, his choir has put out some great music-"Suddenly" and another song on that CD that spoke about grace-come to mind.

    When I listen to gospel music, I am listening for sound biblical doctrine first and foremost, audible lyrics and strong rhythms. It's not just hip hop gospel that Satan is using. He uses all of it. That's why we must pray about this issue and for our gospel radio stations and church music ministries, the music directors, program directors, and even general managers, owners, Ministers of Music and worship leaders that "saved" people are in those positions who are watching out for the sheep, and who are doing the will of Almighty God.

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